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The First Endorsement

Posted in Repost on November 16th, 2007 by MikeGene

Mike Gene. It's not his real name, and no one knows if he is a he or a she, but none of that matters, because it's his (or her) book in any case. And never underestimate the power of the arguments of a pseudonymous Internet persona - I know I don't.
"“ Douglas

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Doncha want one?

Posted in The Rabbit on November 15th, 2007 by MikeGene

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Joan Roughgarden and the Edge of the Rainbow

Posted in Evolution, Intelligent Design on November 15th, 2007 by Guts

Joan Roughgarden, an evolutionary biologist at Standford University, has recently written a review of Michael Behe's book, Edge of Evolution . This is one of the few ID critics that I have seen who have been able to think so clearly on this subject. Although critical of the book, she makes some intriguing points, for example, that ID is in fact different from Creationism (despite the fact that the two groups may be bedfellows), that ID may in fact be testable, and others. Some quotes and a link to the article below the fold.

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An Early Draft

Posted in The Rabbit on November 15th, 2007 by MikeGene

I've previously shared possible titles that were ultimately rejected. I suppose I should share the original cover for my book that was rejected.

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Behe vs. Caroll Reloaded

Posted in Evolution, The Critics on November 14th, 2007 by Guts

Ian Musgrave of the Pandas Thumb has chimed in on the exchange between Behe and Caroll, in which he makes this point (among many):

As well, pyrimethamine resistance develops very rapidly, 6 years from the first appearance of resistance to fixation of 3 or 4 mutation-bearing enzymes is typical (Sanderfur et al., 2007, Talisuna et al., 2004). This is not consistent with the need for simultaneous double mutations (Talisuna et al., 2004).

However, I don't see how that conclusion follows. It seems that once the triple+ mutants arrive in the population and the drug is used extensively, it spreads quickly through the population. But how long they took to develop is an open question. In fact, according to this paper it seems that they evolved long before they arrived in Africa, despite the already existing double-mutants and pressure from the drug.

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Perpetuating Anti-ID Mythology

Posted in The Critics on November 13th, 2007 by Bradford

Gordy Slack authored The evolution of creationism by which he tried and failed to support the tired cliche about an assault on science. Some corrections are in order.

1. There is much more to ID arguments than the simplistic "evolution is not up to the task" depiction. Either Gordy has not looked into the matter extensively or he is mindlessly repeating standard memes.

2. IDists do not avoid mentioning God. However, they do avoid alleging that which is not subject to empirical evaluation. That's why we discuss genes, mutations, biological systems and things along these lines. That's why design is assessed in the context of experimental data. There is no need to make an end run around the First Amendment when scientific data is the subject of discussions.

3. Gordy is right in thinking that IDists are not about to give up their world views because of Judge Jones. Who would expect otherwise in a democratic system. Give up your world view? Sounds like the demands of an Adolf or a Saddam. It's not in keeping with western ideals.

4. The evolution is under serious attack mantra appeals to the true believers but is belied by the facts. Most IDists criticize the notion that biological change is non-telic in nature or analogous to a blind watchmaker.

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It's time to dig another one

Posted in The Rabbit on November 12th, 2007 by MikeGene


Run, rabbit run
Dig that hole, forget the sun
And when at last the work is done
Don't sit down
It's time to dig another one

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Month of the Matrix

Posted in The Rabbit on November 12th, 2007 by MikeGene

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See What They See

Posted in Intelligent Design, Media on November 11th, 2007 by MikeGene

We live in a culture where our media often defines our reality for us. This is because we are a nation of consumers. We not only consume products, but we consume images, news, and stories. We sit before the TV or our favorite web page and absorb the packaged message. Since most people do not have the time to think critically about all the visual and auditory messages that bombard us daily, those images seep in and shape our views of the world around us.

Thanks to the Dover trial, Intelligent Design has become part of the pantheon of media imagery, taking its place next to our obsession with Britney Spears and the newest commercial for Nike. This is clearly seen from the slick article in the New York Times that reviews the upcoming PBS documentary, Judgment Day.

Now, I have no desire to criticize the documentary (afterall, I was pleased with the court's decision), but I think it is worth noting the images that are being disseminated about ID.

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The Message is Spreading

Posted in The Rabbit on November 10th, 2007 by MikeGene

Oh my gosh—— a bunny blog!!

And then there is this most glorious of web page (make sure you let it load!).

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