"Hey Mike, why don't you just drop that ID label once and for all and come up with something new. That way there would be less confusion!"
Yeah, and what might many of the critics see if I took their friendly, helpful advice?
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July 3rd, 2008 at 9:23 pm
trojan…bunny
Comment by Guts — July 3, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Do you suppose Barbara Forrest and Paul Gross might write their sequel? They could call it Intelligent Design's Trojan Horse.
Comment by TomG — July 3, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Creationism in a cheap tuxedo and a cheap overcoat.
Comment by Pez — July 3, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
July 4th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
It would only be a trojan horse if you then used your term to try to get your christian ideas promoted in science classrooms as science.
As long as it's not used to try to sneak creationism into science classrooms, it wouldn't be a trojan horse. You do need another term though, because ID means Dembski, Behe, and the Discovery Institute. You would also want a new term to distinguish yourself from the ideas of CSI, IC, and the EF, which have failed to create a useful paradigm for what Kuhn called 'normal science', and therefore fail as a scientific revolution.
Comment by steve — July 4, 2008 @ 8:47 pm
July 5th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Suggestions for a new "Label" in no particular order:
CrevoDevoLite
CrevoDevoRight
MBLOM (pronounced like emblem - My Bunny Lies Over the Matrix)
JAGWAT (Just Another Guy With A Theory)
ITATO (Inbetween Them and The Others)
SILIW (Says It Like It Was)
FLAVORS (Front Loading Aids Vagaries Of Religion and Science)
FLAG (Front Loaded Anatomy Generator)
Sorry, but I didn't have anything else to do this morning.
Comment by snelldl — July 5, 2008 @ 7:53 am
July 5th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
"Mike"'s ID notion doesn't involve front loading, does it? If so, it will be worse than even CSI and IC and the EF.
Comment by steve — July 5, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
July 5th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
How so?
Comment by kornbelt888 — July 5, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
July 5th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
kornbelt:
I'll bet all the money in the bank of America that "steve" doesn't even understand any of those topics.
Comment by Guts — July 5, 2008 @ 6:09 pm
July 6th, 2008 at 3:05 am
Sorry, the edit function appears a little erratic. I'll try again.
I had a reply from John Moore:
This appears to confirm that Moore was unaware of Mike or his ideas when he wrote his piece criticizing ID in the National Post.Link to original thread
Comment by Alan Fox — July 6, 2008 @ 3:05 am
July 6th, 2008 at 3:33 am
It's a bet that might win, as noöne I meet here has heard of any form of ID, let alone front loading. It really does seem a parochial concept viewed from the non-Anglo-Saxon world.
Modern evolutionary theory proposes that selection, such as created by geographical and temporal isolation, (continental drift, island hopping, cataclysmic events such as meteor strikes etc) can open new niches allowing the stream of genetic variation to be re-filtered and produce new species adapted to these new niches.
If I understand front loading at all (please correct any misapprehension), the information necessary to produce speciation is already present from being pre-loaded and waiting for the appropriate moment to kick in. John Davison, front- loader and saltationist par excellence claims "the environment had nothing to do with it". Forgive me, but however inadequate the theory of evolution may appear, how is front-loading any more parsimonious?
Comment by Alan Fox — July 6, 2008 @ 3:33 am
July 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
I don't think Mike is prepared to say how far front-loading can go. I think he suspects it can get us at least to multi-cellularity.
I think Mike believes that a designer, knowing that Darwinian evolution is inevitable, could exploit it by front-loading designs into the first cells that would eventually be actualized by evolution.
Comment by Bilbo — July 12, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
July 12th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
Well, Mike, I guess you're in an even worse status than all the other IDists. So what would be the point of changing the label?
Comment by Bilbo — July 12, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
July 13th, 2008 at 4:40 pm
Intelligent Evolution? IE
Intelligent Bricolage? IB
Bunny Bricolage? BB
Comment by Telicmeme — July 13, 2008 @ 4:40 pm