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	<title>Comments on: Chickens Come Home to Roost</title>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-12084</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Apr 2006 07:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn't very surprised to find this nuanced opinion at &lt;a href="http://johnhawks.net/weblog/2006/04/18#science_literacy_gross_plos_2006" rel="nofollow"&gt;John Hawks&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think it does not serve the purposes of science to become partisan. Just as few people take time to understand science, few scientists take time to understand ethics. And becoming partisan is a two-way street -- the more science injects itself into politics, the more politics will inject itself into science. There is already enough money flowing into science to promote research toward proprietary commercial or political ends. We should be reversing that flow, but making science a political tool will certainly increase it. Right now we have bad politics and good science. 

Making science more political will not make good politics, but it will make for bad science. 

The answer has to be clear and nonpartisan communication of science.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#039;t very surprised to find this nuanced opinion at <a href="http://johnhawks.net/weblog/2006/04/18#science_literacy_gross_plos_2006" rel="nofollow">John Hawks</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think it does not serve the purposes of science to become partisan. Just as few people take time to understand science, few scientists take time to understand ethics. And becoming partisan is a two-way street &#8212; the more science injects itself into politics, the more politics will inject itself into science. There is already enough money flowing into science to promote research toward proprietary commercial or political ends. We should be reversing that flow, but making science a political tool will certainly increase it. Right now we have bad politics and good science. </p>
<p>Making science more political will not make good politics, but it will make for bad science. </p>
<p>The answer has to be clear and nonpartisan communication of science.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-11920</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Apr 2006 00:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry...just making a guess.  Um...I hate to say anything more, but for once in my life...I...I just might...Oh, gosh...this is so hard to say...I just might agree with...with...with Aagcobb...Aaaahhhhhhh!!!  I can't believe I said that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;just making a guess.  Um&#8230;I hate to say anything more, but for once in my life&#8230;I&#8230;I just might&#8230;Oh, gosh&#8230;this is so hard to say&#8230;I just might agree with&#8230;with&#8230;with Aagcobb&#8230;Aaaahhhhhhh!!!  I can&#039;t believe I said that.</p>
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		<title>By: Aagcobb</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-11906</link>
		<dc:creator>Aagcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 14:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I see it, the good news is that the 14% growth in uncertainty comes primarily from those who reject human evolution (9%) as opposed to those who accept it (5%).  But MikeGene seems kind of confused himself.  First he hails the doubling of scientific literacy in America, which presumably is at least partly due to improved scientific education, then he complains about the education system confusing people in the last paragraph.  Maybe the real problem is that schools systems have been increasingly avoiding the subject of human evolution due to fundamentalist backlash, while doing a pretty good job of teaching less controversial science topics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I see it, the good news is that the 14% growth in uncertainty comes primarily from those who reject human evolution (9%) as opposed to those who accept it (5%).  But MikeGene seems kind of confused himself.  First he hails the doubling of scientific literacy in America, which presumably is at least partly due to improved scientific education, then he complains about the education system confusing people in the last paragraph.  Maybe the real problem is that schools systems have been increasingly avoiding the subject of human evolution due to fundamentalist backlash, while doing a pretty good job of teaching less controversial science topics.</p>
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		<title>By: carbon14atom</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-11897</link>
		<dc:creator>carbon14atom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 06:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>interesting pingback, interesting blog, took me a while to actually find a name to attach to it.  A quick first impression from not very much nosing around leaves me feeling that this person is...well, I'm not really certain what this person is, an atheist it would certainly seem to me, and thats fine I suppose, but its disturbing to me, the attempt to disguise and "gussy up" that atheism into a theistic religion.
I dunno, this guy seems less credible than I am, and I sure don't think I'm very credible....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>interesting pingback, interesting blog, took me a while to actually find a name to attach to it.  A quick first impression from not very much nosing around leaves me feeling that this person is&#8230;well, I&#039;m not really certain what this person is, an atheist it would certainly seem to me, and thats fine I suppose, but its disturbing to me, the attempt to disguise and &#034;gussy up&#034; that atheism into a theistic religion.<br />
I dunno, this guy seems less credible than I am, and I sure don&#039;t think I&#039;m very credible&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-11883</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 01:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bilbo,

I don't see any evidence that the Wedge has anything to do with this.  First, the Wedge has had little-to-no influence on the education curriculum. And while we may be plugged into the debate, the average person is not.  In fact, &lt;a href="http://www.csicop.org/doubtandabout/polling/" rel="nofollow"&gt;a poll from 2003 &lt;/a&gt;found that only 18% felt "very familiar" with the concept of ID and a full 45% were "not familiar" with it.  Second, the question is about human evolution and this topic receives very little attention from people like Behe and Dembski.  Third, the trend is simply putting people in the "unwilling to make a judgment" category and &lt;em&gt;it draws from both sides&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bilbo,</p>
<p>I don&#039;t see any evidence that the Wedge has anything to do with this.  First, the Wedge has had little-to-no influence on the education curriculum. And while we may be plugged into the debate, the average person is not.  In fact, <a href="http://www.csicop.org/doubtandabout/polling/" rel="nofollow">a poll from 2003 </a>found that only 18% felt &#034;very familiar&#034; with the concept of ID and a full 45% were &#034;not familiar&#034; with it.  Second, the question is about human evolution and this topic receives very little attention from people like Behe and Dembski.  Third, the trend is simply putting people in the &#034;unwilling to make a judgment&#034; category and <em>it draws from both sides</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: carbon14atom</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-11810</link>
		<dc:creator>carbon14atom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 20:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As may be Mr. Baggins sir, how ever, the last few decades noted in the post go back a minimum of 30 years (direct experience) and quite actually I think probably go back at least 50.  While I do not denigrate any effect of 'The Wedge' to date, it would seem to me that this form of it has not been around long enough for its effects to manifest to that degree as yet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As may be Mr. Baggins sir, how ever, the last few decades noted in the post go back a minimum of 30 years (direct experience) and quite actually I think probably go back at least 50.  While I do not denigrate any effect of &#039;The Wedge&#039; to date, it would seem to me that this form of it has not been around long enough for its effects to manifest to that degree as yet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Heaven is not the sky  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; But whose chickens are they?</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-11797</link>
		<dc:creator>Heaven is not the sky  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; But whose chickens are they?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 19:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  		 			&#171; Accusing PZ 			 		 	 		 			But whose chickens are they? 	 			 				MikeGene, commenting on recent polls regarding American scientific literacy and attitudes about creation/evolution, writes: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  		 			&laquo; Accusing PZ 			 		 	 		 			But whose chickens are they? 	 			 				MikeGene, commenting on recent polls regarding American scientific literacy and attitudes about creation/evolution, writes: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/chickens-come-home-to-roost/#comment-11754</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or the Wedge has had some measure of "success"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or the Wedge has had some measure of &#034;success&#034;</p>
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