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		<title>By: Joe G</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/fine-writings-about-fine-tuning/#comment-3391</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>onething:
&lt;i&gt;I second the motion. But I am confused. I went to that essay you linked to, and there you called yourself John Paul and listed your religion as Muslim. I also asked you once, why do you find the existence of God obvious?&lt;/i&gt;

"John Paul" is derived from &lt;b&gt;John&lt;/b&gt; Lennon / &lt;b&gt;Paul&lt;/b&gt; McCartney.

"Muslim" means a "belief in one God" and not necessarily a follower of Islam (at least that bis what the Saudi clerics told me when I was over there).

After for the existence of God being "obvious", perhaps I mis-spoke. It doesn't have to be "God", I should have said the existence of a "designer" is obvious. But anyway:

&lt;b&gt;"˜The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator'.&lt;/b&gt; Louis Pasteur from &lt;i&gt; Louis Pasteur"”Founder of Modern Medicine&lt;/i&gt;.

Me too. I see an amazing variety of symbiotic relationships- One big example is plants take in CO2 and expel O2. Animals take in O2 and expel CO2. Now we have the data from the cosmos as presented in &lt;i&gt;The Privileged Planet&lt;/i&gt;. From what I have seen and read the only defense against that data is to attack the people presenting it, and/ or how they presented it. That is a sure sign that the data is good so let's attack the people presenting it so that data will be ignored- tactic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>onething:<br />
<i>I second the motion. But I am confused. I went to that essay you linked to, and there you called yourself John Paul and listed your religion as Muslim. I also asked you once, why do you find the existence of God obvious?</i></p>
<p>&#034;John Paul&#034; is derived from <b>John</b> Lennon / <b>Paul</b> McCartney.</p>
<p>&#034;Muslim&#034; means a &#034;belief in one God&#034; and not necessarily a follower of Islam (at least that bis what the Saudi clerics told me when I was over there).</p>
<p>After for the existence of God being &#034;obvious&#034;, perhaps I mis-spoke. It doesn&#039;t have to be &#034;God&#034;, I should have said the existence of a &#034;designer&#034; is obvious. But anyway:</p>
<p><b>&#034;˜The more I study nature, the more I stand amazed at the work of the Creator&#039;.</b> Louis Pasteur from <i> Louis Pasteur&#034;”Founder of Modern Medicine</i>.</p>
<p>Me too. I see an amazing variety of symbiotic relationships- One big example is plants take in CO2 and expel O2. Animals take in O2 and expel CO2. Now we have the data from the cosmos as presented in <i>The Privileged Planet</i>. From what I have seen and read the only defense against that data is to attack the people presenting it, and/ or how they presented it. That is a sure sign that the data is good so let&#039;s attack the people presenting it so that data will be ignored- tactic.</p>
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		<title>By: onething</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/fine-writings-about-fine-tuning/#comment-3384</link>
		<dc:creator>onething</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I can't speak for anyone but myownself, but I hope we are (an intermediary step). I also hope that "God" isn't the Christian "God" (or the Muslim "Allah") our their depiction is off by a good magnitude.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I second the motion. But I am confused. I went to that essay you linked to, and there you called yourself John Paul and listed your religion as Muslim. I also asked you once, why do you find the existence of God obvious?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<blockquote><p>I can&#039;t speak for anyone but myownself, but I hope we are (an intermediary step). I also hope that &#034;God&#034; isn&#039;t the Christian &#034;God&#034; (or the Muslim &#034;Allah&#034;) our their depiction is off by a good magnitude.</p></blockquote>
<p>I second the motion. But I am confused. I went to that essay you linked to, and there you called yourself John Paul and listed your religion as Muslim. I also asked you once, why do you find the existence of God obvious?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe G</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/fine-writings-about-fine-tuning/#comment-3371</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 21:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK wait.

Did he even attempt to refute ANY arguments with REAL data?

I think its time someone sent a signed petition to ISU complaining of Avalos' lies, misconceptions and overall low-life attitude.

I liked this part:
&lt;i&gt;"Given that mathematical fact, why do advocates of ID think that human beings are the ultimate "purpose" of the Designer? &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;TPP&lt;/i&gt; states the purpose was for scientific discovery. And the only correlation is that humans are capable of doing that. 

&lt;i&gt;And why can't human beings be only an intermediary step in some conceivably longer causal sequence?"&lt;/i&gt;

I can't speak for anyone but myownself, but I hope we are (an intermediary step). I also hope that "God" isn't the &lt;i&gt;Christian&lt;/i&gt; "God" (or the Muslim "Allah") our their depiction is off by a good magnitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK wait.</p>
<p>Did he even attempt to refute ANY arguments with REAL data?</p>
<p>I think its time someone sent a signed petition to ISU complaining of Avalos&#039; lies, misconceptions and overall low-life attitude.</p>
<p>I liked this part:<br />
<i>&#034;Given that mathematical fact, why do advocates of ID think that human beings are the ultimate &#034;purpose&#034; of the Designer? </i></p>
<p><i>TPP</i> states the purpose was for scientific discovery. And the only correlation is that humans are capable of doing that. </p>
<p><i>And why can&#039;t human beings be only an intermediary step in some conceivably longer causal sequence?&#034;</i></p>
<p>I can&#039;t speak for anyone but myownself, but I hope we are (an intermediary step). I also hope that &#034;God&#034; isn&#039;t the <i>Christian</i> &#034;God&#034; (or the Muslim &#034;Allah&#034;) our their depiction is off by a good magnitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Teleological Blog &#187; The Good Report of Guillermo Gonzalez, Author of The Privileged Planet</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/fine-writings-about-fine-tuning/#comment-3239</link>
		<dc:creator>Teleological Blog &#187; The Good Report of Guillermo Gonzalez, Author of The Privileged Planet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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