Comments on: How do we blame the Creationists for this one? http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/ An independent blog about intelligent design Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:42:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Randy http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129779 Randy Fri, 03 Aug 2007 06:06:12 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129779 The question seems quite clear: "What gravitates around the earth?" Does France have a version of Jeopardy? I think that "Millionaire tends to attract a dumb audience in the first place. This is so because the questions are so much simpler than those (answers) given on a show like Jeopardy. Game shows nowadays seem to gravitate towards wider audiences, and as such, tend to dumb-it-down. It would be no different here. I think an American Millionaire audience would fare no better. It is not necessarily a reflection of Americans in general - just Americans who want to be on that particular show. Still funny, though. The question seems quite clear: "What gravitates around the earth?" Does France have a version of Jeopardy? I think that "Millionaire tends to attract a dumb audience in the first place. This is so because the questions are so much simpler than those (answers) given on a show like Jeopardy. Game shows nowadays seem to gravitate towards wider audiences, and as such, tend to dumb-it-down. It would be no different here. I think an American Millionaire audience would fare no better. It is not necessarily a reflection of Americans in general - just Americans who want to be on that particular show. Still funny, though.

]]> By: Pez http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129186 Pez Wed, 01 Aug 2007 22:57:08 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129186 Hi Raevmo, Good on them. Following you off-topic for a moment I thought I'd note that being religious, especially Christian or Muslim, significantly increases the odds that a doctor will do pro-bono work and non-medical volunteer work (as opposed to just having a lower-paying practice among the underserved). <blockquote>Medical and nonmedical volunteering were highly intercorrelated. ...Mormons and Muslims (with sample sizes of only 11 and 55) were more likely than many other religious groups to perform pro bono work. Atheists and those with less religious fervor were less likely to nonmedically volunteer. ...Using multivariate modeling, we found that higher odds of doing nonmedical volunteering (Table 5) were associated with ... having a strong Christian identity or being Muslim (compared with atheist/agnostic/no religion), practicing in a rural setting, working fewer hours, being either politically conservative or liberal (compared with moderate), and performing pro bono service.</blockquote> http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/461567_3 <blockquote>Frank, E., Dell, M. L. and Chopp, R. "Religious characteristics of US women physicians." Social Science and Medicine 49, no. 12 (December 1999): 1717-1722. [This survey (with 4501 respondents, for a 59% response rate from random national sample) offers basic information about religious affiliation and found that physicians who claimed strong religious beliefs were more likely to perform volunteer work, though the number of hours given to pro-bono medical work did not differ according to strength of religious identity. </blockquote> http://www.acperesearch.net/oct05.html Those who volunteer more also donate more: http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/461567_4 Hi Raevmo,
Good on them.
Following you off-topic for a moment I thought I'd note that being religious, especially Christian or Muslim, significantly increases the odds that a doctor will do pro-bono work and non-medical volunteer work (as opposed to just having a lower-paying practice among the underserved).

Medical and nonmedical volunteering were highly intercorrelated. …Mormons and Muslims (with sample sizes of only 11 and 55) were more likely than many other religious groups to perform pro bono work. Atheists and those with less religious fervor were less likely to nonmedically volunteer.

…Using multivariate modeling, we found that higher odds of doing nonmedical volunteering (Table 5) were associated with … having a strong Christian identity or being Muslim (compared with atheist/agnostic/no religion), practicing in a rural setting, working fewer hours, being either politically conservative or liberal (compared with moderate), and performing pro bono service.

http://www.medscape.com/viewar...

Frank, E., Dell, M. L. and Chopp, R. "Religious characteristics of US women physicians." Social Science and Medicine 49, no. 12 (December 1999): 1717-1722. [This survey (with 4501 respondents, for a 59% response rate from random national sample) offers basic information about religious affiliation and found that physicians who claimed strong religious beliefs were more likely to perform volunteer work, though the number of hours given to pro-bono medical work did not differ according to strength of religious identity.

http://www.acperesearch.net/oc...

Those who volunteer more also donate more:
http://www.medscape.com/viewar...

]]> By: Raevmo http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129158 Raevmo Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:43:55 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129158 Hey, look what else was on the site Jehu linked to: http://pressesc.com/news/80931072007/atheist-doctors-more-likely-care-poor-religious-ones Silly atheists caring for the poor while they could be making so much more caring for the rich. Hey, look what else was on the site Jehu linked to:

http://pressesc.com/news/80931...

Silly atheists caring for the poor while they could be making so much more caring for the rich.

]]> By: Jehu http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129154 Jehu Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:25:34 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129154 angryoldfatman <blockquote>But MikeGene, they've already commented on it by not commenting on it, because studies by completely unbiased people have shown that the U.S. public is scientifically illiterate because of religion and European public is scientifically illiterate because it ships high-level students to the U.S., which it does because the U.S. is inferior. </blockquote> Okay, I know you are being sarcastic but it may not be obvious to others. The fact is the United States leads the world in scientific literacy. If Americans were not penalized for rejecting evolution they would lead the world by an even larger margin. http://pressesc.com/01171729171_american_scientific_literacy angryoldfatman
But MikeGene, they've already commented on it by not commenting on it, because studies by completely unbiased people have shown that the U.S. public is scientifically illiterate because of religion and European public is scientifically illiterate because it ships high-level students to the U.S., which it does because the U.S. is inferior.

Okay, I know you are being sarcastic but it may not be obvious to others. The fact is the United States leads the world in scientific literacy. If Americans were not penalized for rejecting evolution they would lead the world by an even larger margin.

http://pressesc.com/0117172917...

]]> By: Bilbo http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129123 Bilbo Wed, 01 Aug 2007 19:29:36 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-129123 Mike, I got your point. Unfortunately, we've had people jumping to the conclusion that the French or Europeans are more scientifically illiterate than Americans. I maintain that we Americans are just as scientifically illiterate. But I agree that belief or non-belief in Creationism or ID probably has little to do with our beliefs regarding other areas of science. Mike, I got your point. Unfortunately, we've had people jumping to the conclusion that the French or Europeans are more scientifically illiterate than Americans. I maintain that we Americans are just as scientifically illiterate. But I agree that belief or non-belief in Creationism or ID probably has little to do with our beliefs regarding other areas of science.

]]> By: angryoldfatman http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128723 angryoldfatman Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:41:23 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128723 But MikeGene, they've already commented on it by not commenting on it, because studies by completely unbiased people have shown that the U.S. public is scientifically illiterate because of religion and European public is scientifically illiterate because it ships high-level students to the U.S., which it does because the U.S. is inferior. But MikeGene, they've already commented on it by not commenting on it, because studies by completely unbiased people have shown that the U.S. public is scientifically illiterate because of religion and European public is scientifically illiterate because it ships high-level students to the U.S., which it does because the U.S. is inferior.

]]> By: MikeGene http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128682 MikeGene Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:44:20 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128682 I think some people are missing the point of this thread. It was stated at the beginning: <blockquote>If this happened in the United States, the "pro-science" blogs would undoubtedly be blaming it on the Creationists and religion. Since they can't, I don't expect any "pro-science" blog to mention it.</blockquote> I think some people are missing the point of this thread. It was stated at the beginning:

If this happened in the United States, the "pro-science" blogs would undoubtedly be blaming it on the Creationists and religion. Since they can't, I don't expect any "pro-science" blog to mention it.

]]> By: grendelkhan http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128679 grendelkhan Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:39:21 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128679 <b>keiths</b>: Aaagh! It's a shop. I should have known from the pixels, and also from having seen a number of shops in my time. How embarrassing for me. Of course, it could all be part of <a href="http://xkcd.com/250/" rel="nofollow">the Snopes conspiracy</a>. keiths: Aaagh! It's a shop. I should have known from the pixels, and also from having seen a number of shops in my time.

How embarrassing for me. Of course, it could all be part of the Snopes conspiracy.

]]> By: keiths http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128659 keiths Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:50:14 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128659 grendelkhan, Luckily for all of us, that one <a href="http://www.snopes.com/radiotv/gameshows/millionaire.asp" rel="nofollow">is a hoax</a>. grendelkhan,

Luckily for all of us, that one is a hoax.

]]> By: grendelkhan http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128635 grendelkhan Tue, 31 Jul 2007 14:52:00 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/how-do-we-blame-the-creationists-for-this-one/#comment-128635 Also, <a href="http://a7.vox.com/6a00d09e468c94be2b00d4144c54cf6a47-pi" rel="nofollow">elephants are larger than the moon</a>. Also, elephants are larger than the moon.

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