Comments on: Karen Armstrong and the fabricated quote

By: Krauze

Krauze — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 09:41:20 +0000

Hi Salvador,

My favorite was when Michael Behe was quoted so badly out of context that a point about bad design got turned into a claim that dinosaur fossils are fake.

By: Salvador T. Cordova

Salvador T. Cordova — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:38:54 +0000

God" when "ID" is spoken is likely to become a mind that hears "David's Tent" when "Big Tent" is writen.

Or how about:

Stephen Meyer being misquoted:

have spoken briefly with New York Times reporter Elisabeth Bumiller who penned the story today that included a misquote attributed to CSC director Stephen Meyer that he welcomed Bush's statement on intelligent design as promoting "free speech on BIBLICAL origins," when he actually said "biological origins."

By: Bilbo

Bilbo — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:21:59 +0000

I'm not finding anything, and I'm losing interest. It's difficult to avoid the conclusion that Armstrong purposely tried to deceive people on this one. But I'll maintain an open mind.

By: Guts

Guts — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:17:01 +0000

The closest connection I can think of is that Paul contributed to one of those "Three Views On" books, one book in this series is on end-times views, but the one in which Paul Nelson actually contributed was about evolution and creation.

By: Bilbo

Bilbo — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:11:46 +0000

Maybe she was thinking of this Paul Nelson:

http://www.nonprofitpanel.org/...

Now let's see if there's a way to link him to David's Tent.

By: Nick

Nick — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 13:22:56 +0000

Goodness! Even I didn't know that, and I'm about as well connected to the circles Rushdoony supposedly courted as anyone posting here.

The reconstructionists' post-Mil view is laid out in Gary North's book on Revelation, The Days of Vengeance

Goes to show, how obscure Rushdoony was even in Evangelical circles, much less the rest of the USA!

In my experience, Rushdoony/Reconstructionism seem to be more popular in Reformed circles. Most evangelicals seem to be pre-mil, but there is some overlap; when I was in college, the leaders of the local Intervarsity chapters were Presbyterians who were sympathetic to Reconstructionism. That's where I first encountered the above book.

By: MikeGene

MikeGene — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:24:42 +0000

Now that's a good hypothesis too, Joy. It is supported by the fact that most critics of ID rely on their stereotypes to do most of the heavy lifting. For example, a mind that hears "God" when "ID" is spoken is likely to become a mind that hears "David's Tent" when "Big Tent" is writen.

By: Joy

Joy — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 03:06:58 +0000

I like Krauze's hypothesis, but I've got a different one. Armstrong couldn't remember the title of Nelson's book and couldn't bother to find out, but she did remember something about a tent. So instead of googling Nelson, she googled "tent" and clicked on the first link that looked to be religiously wack. Then all she had to do was copy-paste the material and attribute it to Nelson, since he just MUST have written it because Paul Nelson writes all the religiously wack stuff, doesn't he?

By: Salvador T. Cordova

Salvador T. Cordova — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:58:42 +0000

Mike wrote:

So? Well, the whole Rushdoony/Theocracy thing is one version of post-millenialism

Goodness! Even I didn't know that, and I'm about as well connected to the circles Rushdoony supposedly courted as anyone posting here. Goes to show, how obscure Rushdoony was even in Evangelical circles, much less the rest of the USA!

Barb Forrest had to dig pretty deep to fabricate her conspiracy theories.

By: MikeGene

MikeGene — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 02:32:41 +0000

Well, Krauze's hypothesis is the only one of the table. And it does have something going for it "“ it nicely captures the way conspiracy theorists think. According to Armstrong, the Bush administration won't sign off on the Kyoto treaty because they want to hasten the end. It reminds me of the nuts who used to think Reagan was trying to start a war with the Soviet Union because Reagan wanted to hasten Armageddon.

What's funny is that Armstrong is fairly darn clueless about the anti-ID rhetoric. Remember folks, ID is supposed to be a keystone in implementing the Theocracy. For example, conspiracy theorist Barbara Forrest links ID to RJ Rushdoony and his disciples. So? Well, the whole Rushdoony/Theocracy thing is one version of post-millenialism. The Rapture thing is pre-millenialism. Thus, not only does Armstrong falsely attribute a quote to Nelson, according to ID critic scholarship, she has him in the wrong school of religious thought!