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		<title>By: thegiffman</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-695</link>
		<dc:creator>thegiffman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Jun 2005 02:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know that I quite understand the burning panda situation.  You started the blog, and then GAVE it to the pandasthumb people?

- Giff</description>
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<p>- Giff</p>
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		<title>By: Exile From Groggs</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Exile From Groggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Commander. It has been reposted &lt;a href="http://exilefromgroggs.blogspot.com/2005/06/arguments-against-creationism-and-id.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Commander. It has been reposted <a href="http://exilefromgroggs.blogspot.com/2005/06/arguments-against-creationism-and-id.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-676</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Commander,

Does this mean that you won't be hosting the next installment after all?</description>
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<p>Does this mean that you won&#039;t be hosting the next installment after all?</p>
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		<title>By: commander</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>commander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exile From Groggs:

&lt;blockquote&gt;PLEASE can I put that on my blogsite? I enjoyed it so much!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Go for it!

tom_kbel:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The art of parody requires that there be at least a subtle resemblance to the thing parodied. As an evolutionist, I cannot see any resemblance in these parodies to any arguments used by evolutionists to prove evolution.

I do, however, see the resemblance to creationist misunderstandings of evolutionary arguments; so I have to thank Commander for an amusing parody on creationist misunderstanding.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This wasn't a parody of arguments only given by evolutionary scientist's against intelligent design.  Instead it was a parody of what I have read in the mainstream media over the past few months  I compiled it for several reasons.  One- because it's funny.  Two- because many of the arguments given against ID commit elemental fallacies, such as appeal to popular vote, character assasinations, generalizations, questions of the motive of the arguer versus the actual merits of the argument, etc.  

Go ahead and make a parody of arguments given by creationist's.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exile From Groggs:</p>
<blockquote><p>PLEASE can I put that on my blogsite? I enjoyed it so much!</p></blockquote>
<p>Go for it!</p>
<p>tom_kbel:</p>
<blockquote><p>The art of parody requires that there be at least a subtle resemblance to the thing parodied. As an evolutionist, I cannot see any resemblance in these parodies to any arguments used by evolutionists to prove evolution.</p>
<p>I do, however, see the resemblance to creationist misunderstandings of evolutionary arguments; so I have to thank Commander for an amusing parody on creationist misunderstanding.</p></blockquote>
<p>This wasn&#039;t a parody of arguments only given by evolutionary scientist&#039;s against intelligent design.  Instead it was a parody of what I have read in the mainstream media over the past few months  I compiled it for several reasons.  One- because it&#039;s funny.  Two- because many of the arguments given against ID commit elemental fallacies, such as appeal to popular vote, character assasinations, generalizations, questions of the motive of the arguer versus the actual merits of the argument, etc.  </p>
<p>Go ahead and make a parody of arguments given by creationist&#039;s.</p>
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		<title>By: ariel</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-673</link>
		<dc:creator>ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Best.  Arguments.  Ever.</description>
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		<title>By: Exile From Groggs</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-672</link>
		<dc:creator>Exile From Groggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PLEASE!!! can I put that on my blogsite? I enjoyed it so much!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PLEASE!!! can I put that on my blogsite? I enjoyed it so much!</p>
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		<title>By: commander</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-670</link>
		<dc:creator>commander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We pulled the site after we got what we wanted.  Basically to show that anti-teleologist's can dish it out but can't take it themselves.  It seems that someone from the panda's thumb already snagged the blogger.com user id as well. 

However- for those who want to read it, here it is:

After surveying the literature over the past few months, I've compiled the best arguments against Intelligent Design and in favor of neo-darwinism. 

1)The Monty Python Proof 
1. Michael Behe is an intelligent design theorist who was seen at a church 
2. But only creationist's go to church 
3. Michael Behe's a creationist! Burn him! 
4. Therefore Evolution is true. 

2)The argument from really, really, really big bones 
1. Some scientists found a bone 
2. It was a really big bone 
3. Manatees are really big but manatees don't have this bone 
4. The bone must have belonged to an older form of manatee that has now evolved. 
5. Therefore evolution is true. 


3)The argument from icky things 
1. There's moles on some people. 
2. No designer would ever design moles. 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

4)The argument from age of the earth 
1. Earth is 4.5 billion years old 
2. Therefore evolution is true. 

5)The either/or argument 
1. If evolution is true then creationism is false. 
2. creationism is false because evolution is true. 
3. therefore evolution is true. 

6)The argument from scientists 
1. Scientists are perfect and never ever lie. 
2. Scientists believe that evolution can explain everything. 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

7)The argument from truth as determined by peer review 
1. There has never been anything published in peer-reviewed journals by I.D. theorists (Meyer, Dembski, Behe, Schaeffer, Thaxton, etc) 
2. If it's never been published then I.D. is false 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

8)The argument from falsifiability 
1. I.D. isn't real science because it isn't falsifiable. 
2. Evolution is true and has falsified design. 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

9)The Scotsman Fallacy of Antony Flew: 
1. No scientist believes there is an Intelligent Designer. 
2. Well some do. 
3. No REAL scientist believes in an intelligent designer. 
4. Therefore evolution is true. 

10)The argument from a hissing feminist 
1. Intelligent Design presupposes a patriarchal womanizer! 
2. Well as a feminist I can't tolerate that! 
3. 
4. Feminist response- "Hiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssss!!!!" 
5. Therefore evolution is true. 

11)The argument from computer programs. 
1. A programmer wrote a program that he installed on a computer. 
2. The code took written words and randomly placed them together, under certain programmed rules, to form complete sentences. 
3. See? Random processes CAN create information. 
4. Therefore evolution is true. 

12)The Choo Choo Train Proof 
1. A long time ago trains were fueled by wood. 
2. Then they evolved and were fueled by steam 
3. Now trains are powered by electricity 
4. So trains have evolved by completely random processes! 
5. Therefore evolution is true. 

13)The 'It's our only Hope' proof 
1. If intelligent design is true then everything will return to a theocracy. 
2. Seriously, there will be witch hunts. 
3. Children will be raised to believe in purpose! (oh dear...) 
4. We can never let that happen! Help me evolution you're my only hope. 
5. Therefore evolution is true. 

14)The Evolutionary Modal Ontological Argument 
1. There is a possible world where evolution can explain everything necessarily. 
2. So evolution is necessary then? 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

15)The Argument from Eyes 
1. If dolphins have eyes and birds have eyes then evolution is true. 
2. Dolphins have eyes and birds have eyes. 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

16)The argument of ignorance 
1. Intelligent Design theorist's are ignorant. 
2. I mean come on, how could anyone seriously believe that? 
3. No really, how? 
4. Therefore evolution is true. 

17)The argument against fancy words. 
1. Intelligent Design Theorists use really big words. 
2. If they are using big words, then they are just trying to sound smart. 
3. But if they are trying to sound smart, they really aren't smart. 
4. Therefore evolution is true. 

18)The argument from the Crusades 
1. Christians fought in the crusades and committed horrible attrocities. 
2. Christians are creationists. 
3. Intelligent Design is Creationism in a cheap tuxedo. 
4. So Intelligent Design theorist's are responsible for the horrible attrocities of the crusades. 
5. Therefore evolution is true. 

19)The argument of mistaken vocational identity 
1. An Intelligent Design Theorist mistakenly called a biochemist a chemist once. 
2. How can the I.D. theorist be so retarded? 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

20)The argument from mystery 
1. Intelligent Design takes the mystery from science. 
2. Therefore evolution is true. 

21)The 'That's just the way it is' argument 
1. I wish there was purpose to life but there isn't. 
2. I'm really sorry. 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

22)The argument from Children's Imagination 
1. Only Children believe in Santa Claus 
2. Belief in God is kind of like belief in Santa Claus 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

23)The argument from Lunacy 
1. A guy on a lot of drugs once claimed to feel God 
2. But he was on drugs. 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

24)The argument from David Silverman 
1. David Silverman debated Norman Geisler once. 
2. David Silverman can talk louder, faster, and over Geisler. 
3. Geisler could barely get a word in! 
4. Boy, if Silverman can talk faster than Geisler, then he must of won the debate. 
5. Therefore evolution is true. 

25)The Gold Star argument 
1. An atheist quit going to sunday school because he didn't get the gold star one week. 
2. He's been an atheist ever since. 
3. Therefore evolution is true. 

26)The argument from shared molecular structures 
1. Amoeba's have proteins 
2. Humans have proteins. 
3. Therefore evolution is true 

27)The flat earth association argument 
1. There were some creationist's who used to believe the earth is flat a long long time ago. 
2. But the earth is a sphere 
3. Therefore evolution is true 

28)The appeal to Richard Dawkins 
1. Richard Dawkins is an evolutionist 
2. Richard Dawkins is also smart 
3. Therefore evolution is true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We pulled the site after we got what we wanted.  Basically to show that anti-teleologist&#039;s can dish it out but can&#039;t take it themselves.  It seems that someone from the panda&#039;s thumb already snagged the blogger.com user id as well. </p>
<p>However- for those who want to read it, here it is:</p>
<p>After surveying the literature over the past few months, I&#039;ve compiled the best arguments against Intelligent Design and in favor of neo-darwinism. </p>
<p>1)The Monty Python Proof<br />
1. Michael Behe is an intelligent design theorist who was seen at a church<br />
2. But only creationist&#039;s go to church<br />
3. Michael Behe&#039;s a creationist! Burn him!<br />
4. Therefore Evolution is true. </p>
<p>2)The argument from really, really, really big bones<br />
1. Some scientists found a bone<br />
2. It was a really big bone<br />
3. Manatees are really big but manatees don&#039;t have this bone<br />
4. The bone must have belonged to an older form of manatee that has now evolved.<br />
5. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>3)The argument from icky things<br />
1. There&#039;s moles on some people.<br />
2. No designer would ever design moles.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>4)The argument from age of the earth<br />
1. Earth is 4.5 billion years old<br />
2. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>5)The either/or argument<br />
1. If evolution is true then creationism is false.<br />
2. creationism is false because evolution is true.<br />
3. therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>6)The argument from scientists<br />
1. Scientists are perfect and never ever lie.<br />
2. Scientists believe that evolution can explain everything.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>7)The argument from truth as determined by peer review<br />
1. There has never been anything published in peer-reviewed journals by I.D. theorists (Meyer, Dembski, Behe, Schaeffer, Thaxton, etc)<br />
2. If it&#039;s never been published then I.D. is false<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>8)The argument from falsifiability<br />
1. I.D. isn&#039;t real science because it isn&#039;t falsifiable.<br />
2. Evolution is true and has falsified design.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>9)The Scotsman Fallacy of Antony Flew:<br />
1. No scientist believes there is an Intelligent Designer.<br />
2. Well some do.<br />
3. No REAL scientist believes in an intelligent designer.<br />
4. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>10)The argument from a hissing feminist<br />
1. Intelligent Design presupposes a patriarchal womanizer!<br />
2. Well as a feminist I can&#039;t tolerate that!<br />
3.<br />
4. Feminist response- &#034;Hiiiiiiiiissssssssssssssssssss!!!!&#034;<br />
5. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>11)The argument from computer programs.<br />
1. A programmer wrote a program that he installed on a computer.<br />
2. The code took written words and randomly placed them together, under certain programmed rules, to form complete sentences.<br />
3. See? Random processes CAN create information.<br />
4. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>12)The Choo Choo Train Proof<br />
1. A long time ago trains were fueled by wood.<br />
2. Then they evolved and were fueled by steam<br />
3. Now trains are powered by electricity<br />
4. So trains have evolved by completely random processes!<br />
5. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>13)The &#039;It&#039;s our only Hope&#039; proof<br />
1. If intelligent design is true then everything will return to a theocracy.<br />
2. Seriously, there will be witch hunts.<br />
3. Children will be raised to believe in purpose! (oh dear&#8230;)<br />
4. We can never let that happen! Help me evolution you&#039;re my only hope.<br />
5. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>14)The Evolutionary Modal Ontological Argument<br />
1. There is a possible world where evolution can explain everything necessarily.<br />
2. So evolution is necessary then?<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>15)The Argument from Eyes<br />
1. If dolphins have eyes and birds have eyes then evolution is true.<br />
2. Dolphins have eyes and birds have eyes.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>16)The argument of ignorance<br />
1. Intelligent Design theorist&#039;s are ignorant.<br />
2. I mean come on, how could anyone seriously believe that?<br />
3. No really, how?<br />
4. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>17)The argument against fancy words.<br />
1. Intelligent Design Theorists use really big words.<br />
2. If they are using big words, then they are just trying to sound smart.<br />
3. But if they are trying to sound smart, they really aren&#039;t smart.<br />
4. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>18)The argument from the Crusades<br />
1. Christians fought in the crusades and committed horrible attrocities.<br />
2. Christians are creationists.<br />
3. Intelligent Design is Creationism in a cheap tuxedo.<br />
4. So Intelligent Design theorist&#039;s are responsible for the horrible attrocities of the crusades.<br />
5. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>19)The argument of mistaken vocational identity<br />
1. An Intelligent Design Theorist mistakenly called a biochemist a chemist once.<br />
2. How can the I.D. theorist be so retarded?<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>20)The argument from mystery<br />
1. Intelligent Design takes the mystery from science.<br />
2. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>21)The &#039;That&#039;s just the way it is&#039; argument<br />
1. I wish there was purpose to life but there isn&#039;t.<br />
2. I&#039;m really sorry.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>22)The argument from Children&#039;s Imagination<br />
1. Only Children believe in Santa Claus<br />
2. Belief in God is kind of like belief in Santa Claus<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>23)The argument from Lunacy<br />
1. A guy on a lot of drugs once claimed to feel God<br />
2. But he was on drugs.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>24)The argument from David Silverman<br />
1. David Silverman debated Norman Geisler once.<br />
2. David Silverman can talk louder, faster, and over Geisler.<br />
3. Geisler could barely get a word in!<br />
4. Boy, if Silverman can talk faster than Geisler, then he must of won the debate.<br />
5. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>25)The Gold Star argument<br />
1. An atheist quit going to sunday school because he didn&#039;t get the gold star one week.<br />
2. He&#039;s been an atheist ever since.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true. </p>
<p>26)The argument from shared molecular structures<br />
1. Amoeba&#039;s have proteins<br />
2. Humans have proteins.<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true </p>
<p>27)The flat earth association argument<br />
1. There were some creationist&#039;s who used to believe the earth is flat a long long time ago.<br />
2. But the earth is a sphere<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true </p>
<p>28)The appeal to Richard Dawkins<br />
1. Richard Dawkins is an evolutionist<br />
2. Richard Dawkins is also smart<br />
3. Therefore evolution is true</p>
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		<title>By: lobo</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-669</link>
		<dc:creator>lobo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Site is up and running.</description>
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		<title>By: Jean</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/meeting-of-minds-2/#comment-665</link>
		<dc:creator>Jean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT: Did the burning Panda burn up? The blog is gone.</description>
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