Comments on: Mirecki's apology and the full e-mail http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/ An independent blog about intelligent design Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:33:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Douglas http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5502 Douglas Wed, 07 Dec 2005 02:45:34 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5502 Mike, This might be off-topic, but is that kitten picture you use genuine, or doctored? Mike,

This might be off-topic, but is that kitten picture you use genuine, or doctored?

]]> By: MikeGene http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5420 MikeGene Sat, 03 Dec 2005 02:21:49 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5420 Ed's strategy is to pop his head in the door, shout some slogan, and the run away. As for contempt, there is no surprise that someone like Mirecki would have contempt. That's dime-a-dozen stuff. I'm actually quite pleased to see him contribute another data point. Mirecki makes it clear that his mind hears "the religious right" when "ID" is spoken. I'm not sure how anyone could believe he was ever capable to objectively judging ID. Ed's strategy is to pop his head in the door, shout some slogan, and the run away.

As for contempt, there is no surprise that someone like Mirecki would have contempt. That's dime-a-dozen stuff. I'm actually quite pleased to see him contribute another data point. Mirecki makes it clear that his mind hears "the religious right" when "ID" is spoken. I'm not sure how anyone could believe he was ever capable to objectively judging ID.

]]> By: Krauze http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5414 Krauze Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:51:41 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5414 Hi Ed, Doug asked you to substantiate your accusation that Telic Thoughts is in need of offering an apology. Is there any reason why you want to avoid that? Hi Ed,

Doug asked you to substantiate your accusation that Telic Thoughts is in need of offering an apology. Is there any reason why you want to avoid that?

]]> By: Doug http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5413 Doug Fri, 02 Dec 2005 15:33:43 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5413 "it would be a step towards the grace of Mirecki". You wouldn't happen to be the president of Mirecki's fan-club, would you? Avoidance of what questions, Ed? Your perceived notions that the contributors at telicthoughts and William Dembski do things comparable to what Mirecki did? There's no question I'm avoiding. I don't see how they all relate. Maybe in your slanted perspective they do; but in order for others to see it as well you will have to make your points more clear than just saying that it happens to be the case from the way you look at it. "it would be a step towards the grace of Mirecki".
You wouldn't happen to be the president of Mirecki's fan-club, would you?

Avoidance of what questions, Ed?
Your perceived notions that the contributors at telicthoughts and William Dembski do things comparable to what Mirecki did?
There's no question I'm avoiding. I don't see how they all relate. Maybe in your slanted perspective they do; but in order for others to see it as well you will have to make your points more clear than just saying that it happens to be the case from the way you look at it.

]]> By: edarrell http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5408 edarrell Fri, 02 Dec 2005 09:52:44 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5408 If Dembski were to apologize just once when he got caught with his pants down, it would be a step towards the grace of Mirecki. Or if Dembski were to stop his virtual mooning of everybody, it would be a step towards the grace of Mirecki. Deft avoidance of the question, Doug. Deft avoidance of the question all around. It must be tough on IDists to see the contempt religious scholars hold for their ideas. It's interesting this is such a flap, and that ID advocates fail to recognize it for outing them as it does. If Dembski were to apologize just once when he got caught with his pants down, it would be a step towards the grace of Mirecki. Or if Dembski were to stop his virtual mooning of everybody, it would be a step towards the grace of Mirecki.

Deft avoidance of the question, Doug. Deft avoidance of the question all around.

It must be tough on IDists to see the contempt religious scholars hold for their ideas. It's interesting this is such a flap, and that ID advocates fail to recognize it for outing them as it does.

]]> By: MikeGene http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5405 MikeGene Fri, 02 Dec 2005 02:05:43 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5405 LOL. I almost fainted because I thought Krauze was saying Brayton critiqued Mirecki's "apology." This floored me because critics of ID are rarely, if ever, so objective about these matters. No worry, as it turned out Brayton was using a sports figure to make the point he could have made with Mirecki. Good catch, Krauze. Mirecki's apology means he admits he was being needlessly offensive and the title change to the course tells us something was indeed fishy about it. Mission for the readers - can you find one "pro-science" blog that criticized Mirecki? LOL. I almost fainted because I thought Krauze was saying Brayton critiqued Mirecki's "apology." This floored me because critics of ID are rarely, if ever, so objective about these matters. No worry, as it turned out Brayton was using a sports figure to make the point he could have made with Mirecki. Good catch, Krauze.

Mirecki's apology means he admits he was being needlessly offensive and the title change to the course tells us something was indeed fishy about it. Mission for the readers - can you find one "pro-science" blog that criticized Mirecki?

]]> By: Krauze http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5402 Krauze Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:10:29 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5402 <a href="http://www.stcynic.com/blog/archives/2005/11/what_terrell_owens_can_teach_u.php" rel="nofollow">Ed Brayton</a> has some good remarks about fake apologies in general. When Professor Mirecki first heard that his e-mail was getting wide exposure, he could have apologized, explaining that it didn't reflect the way he intended to teach the course, or whatever the explanation was. But instead, he attacked the person who had forwarded his e-mail. Only now, when the reactions to the e-mail has started pouring in, did Professor Mirecki find it fitting to issue an apology. Ed Brayton has some good remarks about fake apologies in general. When Professor Mirecki first heard that his e-mail was getting wide exposure, he could have apologized, explaining that it didn't reflect the way he intended to teach the course, or whatever the explanation was. But instead, he attacked the person who had forwarded his e-mail. Only now, when the reactions to the e-mail has started pouring in, did Professor Mirecki find it fitting to issue an apology.

]]> By: Doug http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5401 Doug Thu, 01 Dec 2005 15:55:31 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5401 "When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for anything?" What do they have to apologize for? Mirecki didn't need to apologize. He is receiving what he rightly deserves, he had the option to stand behind his email and his passionate feelings that he expressed. That's his fault for not, and it's his fault for what he said (since he did decide to apologize). "Mirecki shows the grace that Dembski lacks." That's precious. Mirecki got caught with his pants down and then tried to back peddle. You call that grace? "When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for anything?"
What do they have to apologize for?

Mirecki didn't need to apologize. He is receiving what he rightly deserves, he had the option to stand behind his email and his passionate feelings that he expressed. That's his fault for not, and it's his fault for what he said (since he did decide to apologize).

"Mirecki shows the grace that Dembski lacks."
That's precious. Mirecki got caught with his pants down and then tried to back peddle. You call that grace?

]]> By: edarrell http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5398 edarrell Thu, 01 Dec 2005 10:03:37 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5398 Nothing happened next when Dembski wrote his various Waterloo emails, especially the Waterloos Dembski predicted. Mirecki shows the grace that Dembski lacks. Mirecki shows the grace to apologize for offending those who, perhaps, richly deserve to be offended. When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for anything half so offensive? When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for any error? When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for anything? Nothing happened next when Dembski wrote his various Waterloo emails, especially the Waterloos Dembski predicted.

Mirecki shows the grace that Dembski lacks. Mirecki shows the grace to apologize for offending those who, perhaps, richly deserve to be offended.

When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for anything half so offensive? When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for any error? When was the last time Telic Thoughts apologized for anything?

]]> By: Exile From Groggs http://telicthoughts.com/mireckis-apology-and-the-full-e-mail/#comment-5397 Exile From Groggs Thu, 01 Dec 2005 09:41:00 +0000 http://telicthoughts.com/?p=397#comment-5397 Now, what happened next when Dembski wrote his "met their waterloo" email? Is this likely to happen here? Doubt it, somehow. As Mike Gatting said, "One rule for one, another rule for the others." Now, what happened next when Dembski wrote his "met their waterloo" email? Is this likely to happen here?

Doubt it, somehow. As Mike Gatting said, "One rule for one, another rule for the others."

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