Telic Thoughts is an independent blog about intelligent design.


« Bunny Kill
The Orange »

OOL Research: It's All In the Eye of the Beholder

by MikeGene

From Robert Shapiro:

Since then, so-called prebiotic chemistry, which is of course falsely named, because we have no reason to believe that what they're doing would ever lead to life "” I just call it 'investigator influenced abiotic organic chemistry' "” has fallen into the same trap. In the proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences about two months ago there was a paper "” I think it was theoretical "” they showed that in certain hydro-thermal events, convection forces and other attractive forces, about which I am unable to comment, would serve to concentrate organic molecules, so that organic molecules would get much more concentrated in the bottom of this than they would in the ordinary ocean.

Very nice, perhaps it's a good place for the origin of life, and interesting finding, but then there was another commentary paper in the Proceedings by another invited commentator, who said, Great advance for RNA world because if you put nucleotides in, they'll be concentrated enough to form RNA; and if you put RNA in, the RNA will come together and form aggregates, giving you much more chance of forming a ribosome or whatever. I looked at the paper and thought, How did nucleotides come in? How did RNA come in? How did anything come in? The point is, you would take whatever mess prebiotic chemistry gives you and you would concentrate that mess so it's relevant to RNA or the origin of life "” it's all in the eye of the beholder. And almost all of prebiotic chemistry is like this; they take chemicals of their own selection.

People were talking about Steve Benner and his borate paper where he selected, of his own free will, the chemical formaldehyde, the chemical acid-aldehyde, and the mineral borate, and he decided to mix them together and got a product that he himself said was significant in leading to the origin of RNA world, and I, looking at the same thing, see only the hands of Steve Benner reaching to the shelf of organic chemicals, picking formaldehyde, and from another shelf, picking acidaldehyde, etc. Excluding them carefully. Picking a mineral which occurs only in selective places on the Earth and putting it in in heavy doses. And at the end getting a complex of ribose and borate, which by itself would be of no use for making RNA, because the borate loves to hold onto the ribose, and as long as it holds onto the ribose it can't be used to make RNA. If it lets go of the ribose, then the ribose becomes vulnerable to destruction by all the other environmental agents.

The half-life of pure ribose in solution, a different experiment and a very good one, by Stanley Miller is of the order of one or two hours, and all of the other sugars prominent in Earth biology have similar instability.

These icons link to social bookmarking sites where readers can share and discover new web pages.
  • Digg
  • Reddit
  • Mixx
  • StumbleUpon
  • YahooMyWeb
  • del.icio.us

This entry was posted on Sunday, March 30th, 2008 at 1:17 am and is filed under Origin of Life. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site. The trackback link is: http://telicthoughts.com/ool-research-its-all-in-the-eye-of-the-beholder/trackback/

4 Responses to “OOL Research: It's All In the Eye of the Beholder”

  1. Bradford Says:
    March 30th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    The half-life of pure ribose in solution, a different experiment and a very good one, by Stanley Miller is of the order of one or two hours, and all of the other sugars prominent in Earth biology have similar instability.

    Ha ha ha ha ha. So much for the RNA world.

  2. Comment by Bradford — March 30, 2008 @ 4:50 pm

  3. Doug Says:
    March 31st, 2008 at 3:06 pm

    It's that (OH) group at the 2' location on the ribose molecule that makes it unstable. Unstable by its very nature.

  4. Comment by Doug — March 31, 2008 @ 3:06 pm

  5. Rock Says:
    April 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm

    When you really don't know what you're doing you try just about anything. It's called "grasping at straws." Scientists do it too.

    Is science supposed to be all neat, and tidy, white coats and footies, with every loose end tied up, and yesterday's trash hauled away? It's never like that! It may not look pretty, but sometimes it works.

    And sometimes it doesn't…

  6. Comment by Rock — April 1, 2008 @ 1:15 pm

  7. Bilbo Says:
    April 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    From the beginning of Shapiro's paper:

    I looked at the papers published on the origin of life and decided
    that it was absurd that the thought of nature of its own volition
    putting together a DNA or an RNA molecule was unbelievable.
    I'm always running out of metaphors to try and explain what the
    difficulty is. But suppose you took Scrabble sets, or any word game
    sets, blocks with letters, containing every language on Earth, and
    you heap them together and you then took a scoop and you
    scooped into that heap, and you flung it out on the lawn there, and
    the letters fell into a line which contained the words "To be or not
    to be, that is the question," that is roughly the odds of an RNA
    molecule, given no feedback "” and there would be no feedback,
    because it wouldn't be functional until it attained a certain length
    and could copy itself "” appearing on the Earth.

  8. Comment by Bilbo — April 1, 2008 @ 4:27 pm

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.

  • Featured Books


    The Design Matrix: A Consilience of Clues by Mike Gene
    Your Inner Fish: A Journey into the 3.5-Billion-Year History of the Human Body

    Catalyzing Inquiry at the Interface of Computing and Biology

    System Modeling in Cellular Biology: From Concepts to Nuts and Bolts

    The Plausibility of Life By Marc W. Kirschner and John C. Gerhart

    Agents Under Fire by Angus Menuge

    Life's Solution by Simon Conway Morris

    Information Theory, Evolution and the Origin of Life by Hubert P. Yockey

    The Fifth Miracle by Paul Davies

    Nature, Design, and Science by Del Ratzsch

    Origination of Organismal Form by Muller & Newman

    Biased Embryos and Evolution by Wallace Arthur

    Rare Earth by Peter Ward and Donald Brownlee

    The Privileged Planet by Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards

    The Way of the Cell by Franklin Harold

    The Volitional Brain by Benjamin Libet

    Evolution in Four Dimensions by Eva Jablonka & Marion Lamb

    The Evolution-Creation Struggle by Michael Ruse




Telic Thoughts is proudly powered by WordPress
Entries (RSS) and Comments (RSS).