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	<title>Comments on: Open thread: Hobbits, evolving evolution, and the vast creationist conspiracy</title>
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		<title>By: chunkdz</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-31218</link>
		<dc:creator>chunkdz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 15:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, a few posts have gone missing lately. Guts' last post became closed and all responses disappeared. The memory hole also has been cleared out. The reason I liked TT was because of it's general editorial restraint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, a few posts have gone missing lately. Guts&#039; last post became closed and all responses disappeared. The memory hole also has been cleared out. The reason I liked TT was because of it&#039;s general editorial restraint.</p>
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		<title>By: Aagcobb</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-31216</link>
		<dc:creator>Aagcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joy posted a statement indicating she was leaving TT.  She complained that in her thread "Armstrong expands on a Theme" a certain other poster was derailing Joy's efforts to get Armstrong involved in a dialogue about her article.  I don't want to characterize her post any further since I don't have a copy of it and only read it once before it disappeared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joy posted a statement indicating she was leaving TT.  She complained that in her thread &#034;Armstrong expands on a Theme&#034; a certain other poster was derailing Joy&#039;s efforts to get Armstrong involved in a dialogue about her article.  I don&#039;t want to characterize her post any further since I don&#039;t have a copy of it and only read it once before it disappeared.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-31128</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 23:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to object to the thought that we hobbits are somehow related to you humans, but then I noticed the comment about Joy's farewell statement.  What did I miss, since I haven't been here for about a week?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to object to the thought that we hobbits are somehow related to you humans, but then I noticed the comment about Joy&#039;s farewell statement.  What did I miss, since I haven&#039;t been here for about a week?</p>
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		<title>By: KC</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-31097</link>
		<dc:creator>KC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2006 00:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;""¦ did anyone else read Joy's farewell statement before it disappeared?"
No, I didn't see it. But then, there were a number of posts up-and-vanished in that time-frame&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So I wasn't hallucinating about seeing those posts in the Memory Hole. Not a very good memory, it seems, for a memory hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#034;&#034;¦ did anyone else read Joy&#039;s farewell statement before it disappeared?&#034;<br />
No, I didn&#039;t see it. But then, there were a number of posts up-and-vanished in that time-frame</p></blockquote>
<p>So I wasn&#039;t hallucinating about seeing those posts in the Memory Hole. Not a very good memory, it seems, for a memory hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilion</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-30872</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 16:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"&lt;i&gt;... did anyone else read Joy's farewell statement before it disappeared?&lt;/i&gt;"
No, I didn't see it.  But then, there were a number of posts up-and-vanished in that time-frame. However, based on your two posts on the matter, I can surmise.

"&lt;i&gt;What do you make of it?&lt;/i&gt;"
And what I surmise is: Overreaction (and quite keeping in character, at that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;<i>&#8230; did anyone else read Joy&#039;s farewell statement before it disappeared?</i>&#034;<br />
No, I didn&#039;t see it.  But then, there were a number of posts up-and-vanished in that time-frame. However, based on your two posts on the matter, I can surmise.</p>
<p>&#034;<i>What do you make of it?</i>&#034;<br />
And what I surmise is: Overreaction (and quite keeping in character, at that).</p>
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		<title>By: Aagcobb</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-30567</link>
		<dc:creator>Aagcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since this is an open thread, did anyone else read Joy's farewell statement before it disappeared?  What do you make of it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this is an open thread, did anyone else read Joy&#039;s farewell statement before it disappeared?  What do you make of it?</p>
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		<title>By: Salvador T. Cordova</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-30482</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvador T. Cordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 03:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Intelligent design is often described as an insidious creationist plot. In what can only be a perplexing paradox, some creationists actually criticize intelligent design, like Carl Wieland from Answers in Genesis. Over at WithAllYourMind.net, Barry is planning a series of post responding to those criticisms. The first installment can be read here. 

&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, the real plot is IDers wishing to invade creationism.

See: &lt;a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1477" rel="nofollow"&gt;ID continues to evade creationist culture&lt;/a&gt;

Salvador</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Intelligent design is often described as an insidious creationist plot. In what can only be a perplexing paradox, some creationists actually criticize intelligent design, like Carl Wieland from Answers in Genesis. Over at WithAllYourMind.net, Barry is planning a series of post responding to those criticisms. The first installment can be read here. </p>
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<p>Actually, the real plot is IDers wishing to invade creationism.</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/index.php/archives/1477" rel="nofollow">ID continues to evade creationist culture</a></p>
<p>Salvador</p>
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		<title>By: Aagcobb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aagcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 20:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss the Hobbits, but if the evidence doesn't stand up to scientific scrutiny we have to accept that the more ordinary explanation is the likelier one.  And so Frodo and company must shuffle off Flores and return to the fictional confines of Middle Earth . . . :cry:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss the Hobbits, but if the evidence doesn&#039;t stand up to scientific scrutiny we have to accept that the more ordinary explanation is the likelier one.  And so Frodo and company must shuffle off Flores and return to the fictional confines of Middle Earth . . . <img src='http://telicthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cry.gif' alt=':cry:' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: carbon14atom</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-30413</link>
		<dc:creator>carbon14atom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 19:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the 'old Klingon proverb'  says:mrgreen:, when the truth eludes you, follow the money...
I concur with Aagcobb,  while I do think that there is some actual (legitimate?) criticism, mostly, I think its just marketing.  I suppose, in a very limited way:roll: thats ok,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the &#039;old Klingon proverb&#039;  says:mrgreen:, when the truth eludes you, follow the money&#8230;<br />
I concur with Aagcobb,  while I do think that there is some actual (legitimate?) criticism, mostly, I think its just marketing.  I suppose, in a very limited way:roll: thats ok,</p>
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		<title>By: Aagcobb</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/open-thread-hobbits-evolving-evolution-and-the-vast-creationist-conspiracy/#comment-30409</link>
		<dc:creator>Aagcobb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Aug 2006 18:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Krauze,
&lt;blockquote&gt;Intelligent design is often described as an insidious creationist plot. In what can only be a perplexing paradox, some creationists actually criticize intelligent design&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Its only perplexing if you would be perplexed at why Pepsi would criticize Coke.  AIG and the DI are both marketing their books, tapes and DVDs to the same consumers, U.S. christian fundamentalists.  Of course AiG is critical of IDism; they are fighting the DI for market share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Krauze,</p>
<blockquote><p>Intelligent design is often described as an insidious creationist plot. In what can only be a perplexing paradox, some creationists actually criticize intelligent design</p></blockquote>
<p>Its only perplexing if you would be perplexed at why Pepsi would criticize Coke.  AIG and the DI are both marketing their books, tapes and DVDs to the same consumers, U.S. christian fundamentalists.  Of course AiG is critical of IDism; they are fighting the DI for market share.</p>
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