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Open thread: More old stuff

by Krauze

We haven't had an open thread in a while. So here's some links I've been meaning to post for a while.

Mike Dunford criticizes the notion that humans are just a third species of chimp:

The suggestion that we are the third species of chimp is one that is made mostly for political or philosophical reasons. It is made to reinforce the story that science has been telling us, and that we have been telling each other, since the start of the scientific revolution - humans are nothing special. …

We are not chimpanzees. We, unlike the chimpanzees, have the capacity to understand our effects on other living things. We, unlike the chimpanzees, can see the possible effects of our actions. We, unlike the chimpanzees, can see, can understand, and can -if we so choose- act to mitigate the harm that we have done and are doing to the planet. We, unlike the chimpanzees, can choose to do our human best to ensure that our children's children's children get the chance to live on a planet that is as safe and pleasant as the one our grandparents borrowed from us.

It looks like Dawkins has been using fabricated and out-of-context quotes from the founding fathers on religion. Check out this post by John Lynch and the comment by Ed Brayton.

Biologist J. Scott Turner has a book out, The Tinkerer's Accomplice: How Design Emerges from Life Itself, that looks to be of interest to ID evolutionists. From Amazon:

Physiologist Turner (The Extended Organism) addresses a tricky question: if trial-and-error Darwinism rests on solid research and plentiful evidence, and Intelligent Design is little more than religion's hollow Trojan horse, from where does the "self-evident design of the living world" spring? Taking on "modern biology's most glaring blind spot," the "phenomenon of design," Turner argues here that design is a true physiological force that works organically, in accord with DNA, to produce ever more environments "upon which homeostasis can be imposed." He makes his case in a way that's as scientific as any biologist's, using thorough research and enlightening illustrations to demonstrate how, for instance, gut design is shaped "as much under the influence of 'foreign' organisms as it is the organism itself." He also uses pop culture analogies (including Spiderman comics and Terry Gilliam's film Brazil), a friendly voice and personal anecdotes, making this a largely welcoming science book-though he occasionally lapses into technical language when simpler speech would do. His unwavering passion for the topic, combined with a sharp focus, makes Turner's latest ideal for science types, design lovers and anyone who's unashamedly analytical about everyday life.

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15 Responses to “Open thread: More old stuff”

  1. MikeGene Says:
    February 2nd, 2007 at 9:28 pm

    Chimps hold clues to roots of domestic violence

  2. Comment by MikeGene — February 2, 2007 @ 9:28 pm

  3. Wonders For Oyarsa Says:
    February 2nd, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    This video is absolutely priceless. I know the parody has been mentioned here before, but the voice is so perfect - it has to be viewed.

  4. Comment by Wonders For Oyarsa — February 2, 2007 @ 11:21 pm

  5. MikeGene Says:
    February 2nd, 2007 at 11:51 pm

    WFO,

    Yeah, it did deserve its own thread. :mrgreen:

  6. Comment by MikeGene — February 2, 2007 @ 11:51 pm

  7. bFast Says:
    February 4th, 2007 at 12:18 am

    Gentlemen, I have found something that smells of front-loading.

    from:http://www.gennet.org/facts/metro06.html

    In his book Comparative Anatomy and Embryology (Ronald Press, 1964, p. 509), William Ballard … pointed out that "in real life, all vertebrate hearts are composed of the same four chambers at the pharyngula stage." As the heart develops, these four chambers become specialized in different ways which are uniquely suited to the demands of aquatic, amphibious or terrestrial life.

    This statement would imply that fish embrios have four-chambered hearts, an echo of an evolutionary future.

  8. Comment by bFast — February 4, 2007 @ 12:18 am

  9. Doug Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 6:16 pm

    Challenge Darwinism for great photo opts!!!!!
    http://www.harunyahya.com/thea...

  10. Comment by Doug — February 5, 2007 @ 6:16 pm

  11. Krauze Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 6:35 pm

    Headline: "Fundamentalistic Islam discovers metrosexuality".

    :mrgreen:

  12. Comment by Krauze — February 5, 2007 @ 6:35 pm

  13. Guts Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 6:46 pm

    lmao

  14. Comment by Guts — February 5, 2007 @ 6:46 pm

  15. Doug Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 6:53 pm

    Black suit… white suit…. black suit… white suit…. hmmmmm.

  16. Comment by Doug — February 5, 2007 @ 6:53 pm

  17. Doug Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 6:54 pm

    http://www.harunyahya.com/imag...

    Kneel before ZOD!

  18. Comment by Doug — February 5, 2007 @ 6:54 pm

  19. Guts Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 6:57 pm

    There is a resemblance :lol:

  20. Comment by Guts — February 5, 2007 @ 6:57 pm

  21. MikeGene Says:
    February 5th, 2007 at 10:29 pm

    The Great Debate

    vs.

  22. Comment by MikeGene — February 5, 2007 @ 10:29 pm

  23. Krauze Says:
    February 6th, 2007 at 2:50 am

    It's "Kneel before Zod" vs. "I find your lack of faith disturbing."

  24. Comment by Krauze — February 6, 2007 @ 2:50 am

  25. Doug Says:
    February 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 pm

    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oop s::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgr een::mrgreen:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oop s::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::m rgreen::mrgreen:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen:: oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops  ::oops::oops:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgree n::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::o ops::oops::oops:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgree n::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::o ops::oops::oops:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::mrgreen::mrgree n::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::o ops::oops::oops:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgree n::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::o ops::oops::oops:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:: oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops  ::oops::oops:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:: oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen  ::mrgreen::mrgreen:
    :mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:: oops::oops::mrgreen::mrgreen::oops::oops::oops::oops::oops::mrgreen::m rgreen::mrgreen:

    Nick….
    I didn't want to do the 'K'.

  26. Comment by Doug — February 23, 2007 @ 2:54 pm

  27. Guts Says:
    February 23rd, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    :shock:

  28. Comment by Guts — February 23, 2007 @ 3:10 pm

  29. Doug Says:
    February 23rd, 2007 at 3:11 pm

    Don't worry, Guts….
    your name is next.

  30. Comment by Doug — February 23, 2007 @ 3:11 pm

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