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	<title>Comments on: Panda&#039;s Thumb and Hexley, the hoaxing platypus</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Nic George</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100550</link>
		<dc:creator>Nic George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 12:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A little tip, Panda-bloggers: If you didn't spend so much time taking pictures of yourself sticking your hands up the butt of a panda puppet, you might have time to figure stuff like this out for yourselves. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

For the record, I'm not a Panda's Thumb blogger so I'm free to pose in pictures, with their panda puppet, to my hearts content. 

"The guy with his hand up the Panda's Bum."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A little tip, Panda-bloggers: If you didn&#039;t spend so much time taking pictures of yourself sticking your hands up the butt of a panda puppet, you might have time to figure stuff like this out for yourselves. </p></blockquote>
<p>For the record, I&#039;m not a Panda&#039;s Thumb blogger so I&#039;m free to pose in pictures, with their panda puppet, to my hearts content. </p>
<p>&#034;The guy with his hand up the Panda&#039;s Bum.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Exile From Groggs</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100541</link>
		<dc:creator>Exile From Groggs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 09:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's depressing about this is that by the next three repetitions, the myth will have been elevated to the status of well-known fact, and searches on the internet will come up more often than not with the false version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#039;s depressing about this is that by the next three repetitions, the myth will have been elevated to the status of well-known fact, and searches on the internet will come up more often than not with the false version.</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100530</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 04:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi TP,

I was quoting Reed, who said that he thought it was "a joke at the expense of &lt;strong&gt;people like you.&lt;/strong&gt;"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi TP,</p>
<p>I was quoting Reed, who said that he thought it was &#034;a joke at the expense of <strong>people like you.</strong>&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Thought Provoker</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100501</link>
		<dc:creator>Thought Provoker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Krause,

You wrote...
&lt;blockquote&gt;TP, stop cluttering every thread with your favorite topic. You are welcome to discuss the topic of the thread, but any further tangents will go down the Memory Hole. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thank you for the confirmation that I am still welcome to post here.  And while you may disagree, I thought the ethical status of this particular Panda's Thumb post (Hexely) was very much on-topic.

As for my "favorite topic", I would rather talk about an ID proposal like &lt;a href="http://dfcord.blogspot.com/2007/04/thoughts-about-id-proposal.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;mine&lt;/a&gt; or even yours if you have a link to it.

For the record, I don't agree with anyone making a "joke at the expense of people like" you.

By the way, were you quoting Reed or yourself?  I think Reed said ""¦poking fun at intelligent-design activists and creationists".  Are you (and TT) intelligent-design activists?

Provoking Thought

Disclaimer: withheld for this particular comment, will be included on future comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Krause,</p>
<p>You wrote&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>TP, stop cluttering every thread with your favorite topic. You are welcome to discuss the topic of the thread, but any further tangents will go down the Memory Hole. </p></blockquote>
<p>Thank you for the confirmation that I am still welcome to post here.  And while you may disagree, I thought the ethical status of this particular Panda&#039;s Thumb post (Hexely) was very much on-topic.</p>
<p>As for my &#034;favorite topic&#034;, I would rather talk about an ID proposal like <a href="http://dfcord.blogspot.com/2007/04/thoughts-about-id-proposal.html" rel="nofollow">mine</a> or even yours if you have a link to it.</p>
<p>For the record, I don&#039;t agree with anyone making a &#034;joke at the expense of people like&#034; you.</p>
<p>By the way, were you quoting Reed or yourself?  I think Reed said &#034;&#034;¦poking fun at intelligent-design activists and creationists&#034;.  Are you (and TT) intelligent-design activists?</p>
<p>Provoking Thought</p>
<p>Disclaimer: withheld for this particular comment, will be included on future comments</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100482</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 17:36:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Reed,

Perhaps you can answer this: How does Wired falling for an old hoax constitute a "joke at the expense of people like" me? Who &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; "people like me", anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Reed,</p>
<p>Perhaps you can answer this: How does Wired falling for an old hoax constitute a &#034;joke at the expense of people like&#034; me? Who <em>are</em> &#034;people like me&#034;, anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Reed</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100474</link>
		<dc:creator>Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, someone sounds a little cranky, but that is no reason to beat up on Prof. Steve Steve.

A little tip Krauze, at no point in time did I take the Wired comment as anything but a joke. If you paid more attention to my "pop culture" posts on PT and DRN, you will see that I often make posts about instances where the media makes fun of creationists. I've mentioned Family Guy, Robot Chicken, a few websites, etc.

Oh yeah, why do you think the Hexley post was filed under Humor?

And I have considered the idea that you are not being serious, but if that is the case I have decided to play along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, someone sounds a little cranky, but that is no reason to beat up on Prof. Steve Steve.</p>
<p>A little tip Krauze, at no point in time did I take the Wired comment as anything but a joke. If you paid more attention to my &#034;pop culture&#034; posts on PT and DRN, you will see that I often make posts about instances where the media makes fun of creationists. I&#039;ve mentioned Family Guy, Robot Chicken, a few websites, etc.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, why do you think the Hexley post was filed under Humor?</p>
<p>And I have considered the idea that you are not being serious, but if that is the case I have decided to play along.</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100470</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 16:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, but Reed! I wasn't being serious when I implied that &lt;em&gt;you&lt;/em&gt; were being serious about creationists being serious that Hexley was proof of the satanic roots of evolution. I was just using a completely wrong statement to make a joke at the expense of people like you.

Or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, but Reed! I wasn&#039;t being serious when I implied that <em>you</em> were being serious about creationists being serious that Hexley was proof of the satanic roots of evolution. I was just using a completely wrong statement to make a joke at the expense of people like you.</p>
<p>Or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: thechristiancynic</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100451</link>
		<dc:creator>thechristiancynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 13:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The link is made because it feeds into a useful stereotype. Much easier to argue against strawmen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I agree that the stereotype is a part of it. It would also explain why Cartwright lumps TTers in with creationists ("people like you").

This is about how I imagine this played out:

"Hey guys, look at this funny joke about those ID creationists! They really think that Hexley is proof of the Darwinian link to Satanism! What idiots!"

"Oh, hey, guys, that was just a joke. We just bolded that one false statement because we knew it wasn't serious, not because we thought it was."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The link is made because it feeds into a useful stereotype. Much easier to argue against strawmen.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree that the stereotype is a part of it. It would also explain why Cartwright lumps TTers in with creationists (&#034;people like you&#034;).</p>
<p>This is about how I imagine this played out:</p>
<p>&#034;Hey guys, look at this funny joke about those ID creationists! They really think that Hexley is proof of the Darwinian link to Satanism! What idiots!&#034;</p>
<p>&#034;Oh, hey, guys, that was just a joke. We just bolded that one false statement because we knew it wasn&#039;t serious, not because we thought it was.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100358</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 11:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL.  Reed writes, "Note to Krauze: at no point in time did we take the Wired comment as anything but a joke at the expense of people like you."  Er, yeah, right.  &lt;strong&gt;No&lt;/strong&gt; one at PT would &lt;strong&gt;ever &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; believe&lt;/strong&gt; that several intelligent design theorists believe in the satanic origins of evolutionary biology.  

Look, it is not surprising that the critics would be snookered by this.  It's easily explained as confirmation bias.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  Reed writes, &#034;Note to Krauze: at no point in time did we take the Wired comment as anything but a joke at the expense of people like you.&#034;  Er, yeah, right.  <strong>No</strong> one at PT would <strong>ever <em>really</em> believe</strong> that several intelligent design theorists believe in the satanic origins of evolutionary biology.  </p>
<p>Look, it is not surprising that the critics would be snookered by this.  It&#039;s easily explained as confirmation bias.</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/pandas-thumb-and-hexley-the-hoaxing-platypus/#comment-100256</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 07:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TP, stop cluttering every thread with your favorite topic. You are welcome to discuss the topic of the thread, but any further tangents will go down the Memory Hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TP, stop cluttering every thread with your favorite topic. You are welcome to discuss the topic of the thread, but any further tangents will go down the Memory Hole.</p>
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