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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/poor-oppressed-pz/#comment-23226</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 07:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi dopderbeck,

Yes, there are a couple of different versions floating around. Another one goes: "If the law is against you, pound on the facts. When the facts are against you, pound on the law. When both are against you, pound on the table and yell."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi dopderbeck,</p>
<p>Yes, there are a couple of different versions floating around. Another one goes: &#034;If the law is against you, pound on the facts. When the facts are against you, pound on the law. When both are against you, pound on the table and yell.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: dopderbeck</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/poor-oppressed-pz/#comment-23089</link>
		<dc:creator>dopderbeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 20:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The adage I remember from my days in law practice is a bit different:

"If you can't argue the law, argue the facts.  If you can't argue the facts, argue the law.  If you can't argue the law or facts, attack your adversary."

Equally applicable though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The adage I remember from my days in law practice is a bit different:</p>
<p>&#034;If you can&#039;t argue the law, argue the facts.  If you can&#039;t argue the facts, argue the law.  If you can&#039;t argue the law or facts, attack your adversary.&#034;</p>
<p>Equally applicable though.</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/poor-oppressed-pz/#comment-22955</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roy,

Clicking on the pictue will send you to the online store that sells them. I found them simply by using Google's image search for "slippers".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roy,</p>
<p>Clicking on the pictue will send you to the online store that sells them. I found them simply by using Google&#039;s image search for &#034;slippers&#034;.</p>
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		<title>By: roy w.</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/poor-oppressed-pz/#comment-22954</link>
		<dc:creator>roy w.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 05:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The panda slippers are pretty cool as a visual companion to this post.  Where'd you find them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The panda slippers are pretty cool as a visual companion to this post.  Where&#039;d you find them?</p>
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		<title>By: TomG</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/poor-oppressed-pz/#comment-22907</link>
		<dc:creator>TomG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jun 2006 01:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Myers says, 
&lt;blockquote&gt;Listen, world. Dawkins and Dennett and Tyndall aren't arrogant: &lt;b&gt;they're right.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Hmmm... makes you wonder if someone could be right &lt;i&gt;and&lt;/i&gt; arrogant at the same time. (But no need to worry about that in the present case.) 
Later, Myers adds,

&lt;blockquote&gt;When I hear people declare that Dawkins is the arrogant one, while they are surrounded by Robertsons and Coulters and Dobsons, I give up on them. They've just admitted that they lack any sensible perspective on the world.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Does "surrounded by" equal agreement? And has he noticed how many of Dawkins's atheistic co-religionists also think he's arrogant?

Myers isn't arrogant, though:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Albert Einstein could be such an *******.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

His problem is scientism:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Religion adds nothing to science, let alone sight.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Religion adds to knowledge. Is there knowledge outside of science? Not in his view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myers says, </p>
<blockquote><p>Listen, world. Dawkins and Dennett and Tyndall aren&#039;t arrogant: <b>they&#039;re right.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>Hmmm&#8230; makes you wonder if someone could be right <i>and</i> arrogant at the same time. (But no need to worry about that in the present case.)<br />
Later, Myers adds,</p>
<blockquote><p>When I hear people declare that Dawkins is the arrogant one, while they are surrounded by Robertsons and Coulters and Dobsons, I give up on them. They&#039;ve just admitted that they lack any sensible perspective on the world.</p></blockquote>
<p>Does &#034;surrounded by&#034; equal agreement? And has he noticed how many of Dawkins&#039;s atheistic co-religionists also think he&#039;s arrogant?</p>
<p>Myers isn&#039;t arrogant, though:</p>
<blockquote><p>Albert Einstein could be such an *******.</p></blockquote>
<p>His problem is scientism:</p>
<blockquote><p>Religion adds nothing to science, let alone sight.</p></blockquote>
<p>Religion adds to knowledge. Is there knowledge outside of science? Not in his view.</p>
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