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		<title>By: Joy</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-13143</link>
		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 23:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And if the shoe fits... the other one's probably around here somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And if the shoe fits&#8230; the other one&#039;s probably around here somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-13123</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 17:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.  Then judge him, and his shoes."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Before you judge a man, walk a mile in his shoes.  Then judge him, and his shoes.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-13120</link>
		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Apr 2006 16:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(HNS) The Internet. The well-heeled WEDGE CONSPIRACY gets in a few kicks in Telic Thoughts by punting the whole did-shoe-wearing-evolve-via-natural-selection through the goal posts. Mike Gene, no loafer he!, ambles nicely through the whole evolutionary psychology minefield and comes out cleanly on the other side, sans cleets.

Those who continue to toe the ev-pych line will find themselves increasingly trodden upon by the aforementioned well-heeled adherents. These are the times which try men's soles......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(HNS) The Internet. The well-heeled WEDGE CONSPIRACY gets in a few kicks in Telic Thoughts by punting the whole did-shoe-wearing-evolve-via-natural-selection through the goal posts. Mike Gene, no loafer he!, ambles nicely through the whole evolutionary psychology minefield and comes out cleanly on the other side, sans cleets.</p>
<p>Those who continue to toe the ev-pych line will find themselves increasingly trodden upon by the aforementioned well-heeled adherents. These are the times which try men&#039;s soles&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 May 2005 02:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Mike Gene&lt;/b&gt;:  But what is the adaptive significance of the frequent enemas?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Interesting.  There might be a tie-in here with evolutionary psychology.  What would the relation be between the driving evolutionary force behind frequent enemas, and the descriptive psychological personality type, "anal retentive"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Mike Gene</b>:  But what is the adaptive significance of the frequent enemas?</p></blockquote>
<p>Interesting.  There might be a tie-in here with evolutionary psychology.  What would the relation be between the driving evolutionary force behind frequent enemas, and the descriptive psychological personality type, &#034;anal retentive&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-293</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 May 2005 04:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Ed, but this is ground breaking science in action.  I just did a PubMed search with "˜shoe fetish' and only one scientific, peer-reviewed article addresses its, er, "evolution": 


&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;em&gt;Int J Psychoanal Psychother.&lt;/em&gt; 1977;6:323-37.

&lt;strong&gt;The evolution of a shoe fetish.&lt;/strong&gt;

Hamilton JW.

This paper deals with clinical material gathered from the long-term, psychoanalytically-oriented treatment of a patient with a shoe fetish. Genetic and dynamic aspects of this problem are emphasized. The combination of a dominating mother and a passive and absent father, the sharing of a bed with an older sister until age eleven, and the receipt of frequent enemas contributed directly to the development of the fetish, the most crucial determinant being the commulative traumatic effect of the enemas. During adolescence, the patient also resorted to transvestism to deal with the intensification of castration fears. Becoming a husband and father threatened to disrupt his tenuous defenses and forced him to seek therapy for two years, during which he was able to gain sufficient insight to forego the fetish and to engage in heterosexual activity in reasonably conflict-free manner. Previous theorectical contributions on the subject are included and theorectical issues are dealt with, particularly the role of the core fantasy of the phallic woman in the perversions.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course, this raises a new twist to the story.  The adaptive significance of sharing the bed with the sister is obvious "“ the mother would be better able to defend her children against predators if they were bundled together.  And the absent father makes sense, as he was out hunting to increase the nutritional intake of the offspring.  But what is the adaptive significance of the frequent enemas?  Might this be a modern expression of grooming behavior, such that offspring lacking anal lice would be more likely to grow up and produce offspring of their own?   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Ed, but this is ground breaking science in action.  I just did a PubMed search with &#034;˜shoe fetish&#039; and only one scientific, peer-reviewed article addresses its, er, &#034;evolution&#034;: </p>
<blockquote><p> <em>Int J Psychoanal Psychother.</em> 1977;6:323-37.</p>
<p><strong>The evolution of a shoe fetish.</strong></p>
<p>Hamilton JW.</p>
<p>This paper deals with clinical material gathered from the long-term, psychoanalytically-oriented treatment of a patient with a shoe fetish. Genetic and dynamic aspects of this problem are emphasized. The combination of a dominating mother and a passive and absent father, the sharing of a bed with an older sister until age eleven, and the receipt of frequent enemas contributed directly to the development of the fetish, the most crucial determinant being the commulative traumatic effect of the enemas. During adolescence, the patient also resorted to transvestism to deal with the intensification of castration fears. Becoming a husband and father threatened to disrupt his tenuous defenses and forced him to seek therapy for two years, during which he was able to gain sufficient insight to forego the fetish and to engage in heterosexual activity in reasonably conflict-free manner. Previous theorectical contributions on the subject are included and theorectical issues are dealt with, particularly the role of the core fantasy of the phallic woman in the perversions.</p></blockquote>
<p>Of course, this raises a new twist to the story.  The adaptive significance of sharing the bed with the sister is obvious &#034;“ the mother would be better able to defend her children against predators if they were bundled together.  And the absent father makes sense, as he was out hunting to increase the nutritional intake of the offspring.  But what is the adaptive significance of the frequent enemas?  Might this be a modern expression of grooming behavior, such that offspring lacking anal lice would be more likely to grow up and produce offspring of their own?</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas-Vincit &#187; Hilarious post at Telic Thoughts</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-290</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas-Vincit &#187; Hilarious post at Telic Thoughts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 22:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] houghts pokes fun at evolutionary psychologists in his recent blog entry that can be found here  	 													 	 	  				       		 		 	      	 	 	 	 		 			 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: edarrell</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-289</link>
		<dc:creator>edarrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2005 22:11:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wager that a check of the real science journals would turn up evidence that fetishes are nurture issues,  not nature.  

But when have the facts ever been a consideration for advocates of ID?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wager that a check of the real science journals would turn up evidence that fetishes are nurture issues,  not nature.  </p>
<p>But when have the facts ever been a consideration for advocates of ID?</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-275</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 21:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Krauze&lt;/b&gt;:  When birds grow long and hindering tails, when gazelles leap high into the air in front of a predator, and when large grazers fight long and exhausting battles with each other, they're all signalling the fitness of their genes: "Look at me, I'm doing so well that I can spend my energy doing useless things."&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, that would explain tanning salons and muscle magazines.  But it still doesn't explain high heels, I'm afraid.  "Me, Tarzan, you...Look out, Jane!!  Run, Jane, Run!!  Ooooo, Jane fall down.  Me will miss Jane's feet."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><b>Krauze</b>:  When birds grow long and hindering tails, when gazelles leap high into the air in front of a predator, and when large grazers fight long and exhausting battles with each other, they&#039;re all signalling the fitness of their genes: &#034;Look at me, I&#039;m doing so well that I can spend my energy doing useless things.&#034;</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, that would explain tanning salons and muscle magazines.  But it still doesn&#039;t explain high heels, I&#039;m afraid.  &#034;Me, Tarzan, you&#8230;Look out, Jane!!  Run, Jane, Run!!  Ooooo, Jane fall down.  Me will miss Jane&#039;s feet.&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 15:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Douglas,

&lt;em&gt;"I never heard of "smelly feet" being a hindrance to survival."&lt;/em&gt;

You're ignoring the vast richness of evolutionary biology. Evolution is more than survival - it's also &lt;em&gt;reproduction&lt;/em&gt;. Things like personal hygiene are used to assess the quality of potential mates. When birds grow long and hindering tails, when gazelles leap high into the air in front of a predator, and when large grazers fight long and exhausting battles with each other, they're all signalling the fitness of their genes: "Look at me, I'm doing so well that I can spend my energy doing useless things."

This is what the Israeli scientist Amotz Zahavi called the &lt;a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3793/is_200001/ai_n8878890" rel="nofollow"&gt;"handicap principle"&lt;/a&gt;. It also explains why it's high heels, rather than comfortable shoes, that turns on a guy: Keeping your balance in a pair of six-inches is much harder, and thus signals higher health.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Douglas,</p>
<p><em>&#034;I never heard of &#034;smelly feet&#034; being a hindrance to survival.&#034;</em></p>
<p>You&#039;re ignoring the vast richness of evolutionary biology. Evolution is more than survival - it&#039;s also <em>reproduction</em>. Things like personal hygiene are used to assess the quality of potential mates. When birds grow long and hindering tails, when gazelles leap high into the air in front of a predator, and when large grazers fight long and exhausting battles with each other, they&#039;re all signalling the fitness of their genes: &#034;Look at me, I&#039;m doing so well that I can spend my energy doing useless things.&#034;</p>
<p>This is what the Israeli scientist Amotz Zahavi called the <a href="http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3793/is_200001/ai_n8878890" rel="nofollow">&#034;handicap principle&#034;</a>. It also explains why it&#039;s high heels, rather than comfortable shoes, that turns on a guy: Keeping your balance in a pair of six-inches is much harder, and thus signals higher health.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/science-made-easy/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2005 13:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Smelly feet"  That's the best the evolutionists can offer?  I never heard of "smelly feet" being a hindrance to &lt;i&gt;survival&lt;/i&gt;.  In fact, I would expect they'd &lt;b&gt;aid&lt;/b&gt; a woman's chance of survival - a lion faced with the scent of a woman with smelly feet would be more willing to pass, and wait for one less odiferous.  So, if evolution were true, men should be &lt;b&gt;attracted&lt;/b&gt; to women with smelly feet, as this would signify a survival advantage.  (Although, come to think of it, "smelly feet" might also signify a decaying foot.)  Besides, it need not be pointed out that a woman wearing heavy-duty work boots in the jungles of Africa has a much greater chance of avoiding serious foot injury than one wearing high heels. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Smelly feet&#034;  That&#039;s the best the evolutionists can offer?  I never heard of &#034;smelly feet&#034; being a hindrance to <i>survival</i>.  In fact, I would expect they&#039;d <b>aid</b> a woman&#039;s chance of survival - a lion faced with the scent of a woman with smelly feet would be more willing to pass, and wait for one less odiferous.  So, if evolution were true, men should be <b>attracted</b> to women with smelly feet, as this would signify a survival advantage.  (Although, come to think of it, &#034;smelly feet&#034; might also signify a decaying foot.)  Besides, it need not be pointed out that a woman wearing heavy-duty work boots in the jungles of Africa has a much greater chance of avoiding serious foot injury than one wearing high heels.</p>
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