Tick tock, tick tock, Oct. 4th is around the corner….
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I was wondering if you could, just as a fun sort of warm up for the "un-debate", give us some evidence or arguments or whatever would be required for you to accept an old Earth?
My debate with Ruse turns on ID vs. Darwinian naturalism, not YEC.
But since you asked, check out my chapter on YEC, written with John Mark Reynolds, in the volume Three Views on Creation and Evolution (Zondervan, 1999). That's my only published discussion of my YEC position. Reynolds and I were widely excoriated by YECs for what we wrote, e.g., the following:
Natural science at the moment seems to overwhelmingly point to an old cosmos…Recent creationists should humbly agree that their view is, at the moment, implausible on purely scientific grounds. (pp. 49, 51)
Statements like this drive Nick Matzke bonkers, btw, and make him question my sanity, or integrity, or manhood. For that matter, many of the YECs who reviewed the book said that the Reynolds/Nelson chapter was the worst defense of YEC currently in print, and maybe the worst imaginable.
So I'm in the unenviable position of being panned right across the spectrum.
Comment by P A Nelson — September 29, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
I look forward to seeing you again! Please come up and say hello.
Classical music endures. That's why it's classical, and will be played in heaven, albeit with some considerable humility, in light of what we're going to hear from the angels.
Comment by P A Nelson — September 29, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Said it. I said "bunny," and in fact, had a slide with a little bunny on it (which I'll send to MikeGene for posting here, if he wants, as documentation).
I now have permission to think about ID for another year.
September 28th, 2007 at 3:58 am
I know I wasn't supposed to look at the photo, but I did. There's something vaguely obscene about it…
Is Paul publishing something on the 4th?
Comment by keiths — September 28, 2007 @ 3:58 am
September 28th, 2007 at 9:12 am
No, I'm debating Michael Ruse in southern California, about what would make us adopt the opposing position on ID vs. Darwinian evolution.
And I've agreed to say the word "bunny" at some point during the debate. This is to satisfy our Bunny Overlords, on a dare from Mike Gene.
LOTS of rabbits live in my immediate neighborhood (several just in my backyard). I shudder to think what will happen if I don't follow through…
Comment by P A Nelson — September 28, 2007 @ 9:12 am
September 28th, 2007 at 11:01 am
This just in, from Bunny High Command:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/09/...
So, Mike - what are you going to do about it?
Comment by Wonders For Oyarsa — September 28, 2007 @ 11:01 am
September 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
Hello Mr. Nelson,
I was wondering if you could, just as a fun sort of warm up for the "un-debate", give us some evidence or arguments or whatever would be required for you to accept an old Earth?
Thanks,
JAllen
Comment by JAllen — September 28, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
September 28th, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Send him a free copy of the book?
Comment by MikeGene — September 28, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
September 28th, 2007 at 8:57 pm
Paul,
I'll be seeing you at the Biola debate. I'm the guy who writes computer programs with long fingers that move very quickly over a piano keyboard.
There is an ancient Chinese proverb that goes as follows: Anyone who enjoys classical piano music can't be all bad, or something like that.
See you at Biola.
Gil
Comment by GilDodgen — September 28, 2007 @ 8:57 pm
September 28th, 2007 at 10:06 pm
You could always ask Ruse if a fossil bunny in the Precambrian would falsify NDE for him.
Comment by keiths — September 28, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
September 29th, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Hi JAllen,
My debate with Ruse turns on ID vs. Darwinian naturalism, not YEC.
But since you asked, check out my chapter on YEC, written with John Mark Reynolds, in the volume Three Views on Creation and Evolution (Zondervan, 1999). That's my only published discussion of my YEC position. Reynolds and I were widely excoriated by YECs for what we wrote, e.g., the following:
Statements like this drive Nick Matzke bonkers, btw, and make him question my sanity, or integrity, or manhood. For that matter, many of the YECs who reviewed the book said that the Reynolds/Nelson chapter was the worst defense of YEC currently in print, and maybe the worst imaginable.
So I'm in the unenviable position of being panned right across the spectrum.
Comment by P A Nelson — September 29, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
September 29th, 2007 at 12:11 pm
Gil,
I look forward to seeing you again! Please come up and say hello.
Classical music endures. That's why it's classical, and will be played in heaven, albeit with some considerable humility, in light of what we're going to hear from the angels.
Comment by P A Nelson — September 29, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
September 29th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Hi Paul,
You may want to take a look at this.
I mention you and your un-debate.
Comment by Thought Provoker — September 29, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
October 6th, 2007 at 9:31 am
Said it. I said "bunny," and in fact, had a slide with a little bunny on it (which I'll send to MikeGene for posting here, if he wants, as documentation).
I now have permission to think about ID for another year.
Comment by P A Nelson — October 6, 2007 @ 9:31 am
October 6th, 2007 at 9:40 am
Hi Paul,
Yes, we at TT do need documentation.
Comment by MikeGene — October 6, 2007 @ 9:40 am