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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195841</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now, as warned, with the 200th comment, the flame-fest is closed.  Time to move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now, as warned, with the 200th comment, the flame-fest is closed.  Time to move on.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195840</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 04:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Keiths: It is legitimate for me to say that the Darfur genocide is wrong? Apparently not, according to Mike, because I haven't been harmed by the killers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I see.  So now you are trying to equate Salvador's behavior with genocide.  If you are trying to find an analogy to rationalize your obsession with someone who has not harmed you, I suggest something much more mild than genocide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Keiths: It is legitimate for me to say that the Darfur genocide is wrong? Apparently not, according to Mike, because I haven&#039;t been harmed by the killers.</p></blockquote>
<p>I see.  So now you are trying to equate Salvador&#039;s behavior with genocide.  If you are trying to find an analogy to rationalize your obsession with someone who has not harmed you, I suggest something much more mild than genocide.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195839</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Keiths: Mike keeps mentioning over and over that Sal has never harmed me, as if that made it illegitimate for me to disapprove of his behavior. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, as I told you, you are entitled to your opinion, even if it includes disapproval. Your problem was the way you go beyond disapproval and express a level of obsession that tried to stir up a witch hunt against Salvador.  It's perplexing that you express so much hatred against someone who has not harmed you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Keiths: Mike keeps mentioning over and over that Sal has never harmed me, as if that made it illegitimate for me to disapprove of his behavior. </p></blockquote>
<p>No, as I told you, you are entitled to your opinion, even if it includes disapproval. Your problem was the way you go beyond disapproval and express a level of obsession that tried to stir up a witch hunt against Salvador.  It&#039;s perplexing that you express so much hatred against someone who has not harmed you.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradford</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195838</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>She's not a little kid is she? She's old enough to express her own views right? 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course. What does that have to do with anything? Your not making Mike's error, are you?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If she is old enough to express her own views then she is old enough to withstand critiques of those views.

Salvador, you're not Attila the Hun and I've witnessed much, much worse on the web and in person during my life.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wow.

That's a back-handed compliment if I ever saw one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It is also true which brings up a point I raised earlier.  Why the singular preoccupation with Salvador when misbehavior is rampant on the web?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#039;s not a little kid is she? She&#039;s old enough to express her own views right? </p>
<blockquote><p>Of course. What does that have to do with anything? Your not making Mike&#039;s error, are you?</p></blockquote>
<p>If she is old enough to express her own views then she is old enough to withstand critiques of those views.</p>
<p>Salvador, you&#039;re not Attila the Hun and I&#039;ve witnessed much, much worse on the web and in person during my life.</p>
<blockquote><p>Wow.</p>
<p>That&#039;s a back-handed compliment if I ever saw one.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is also true which brings up a point I raised earlier.  Why the singular preoccupation with Salvador when misbehavior is rampant on the web?</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195837</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salvador wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I could just ask you, one by one, but perhaps you'll spare the innocent bystanders the trouble. You owe them an apology"¦.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If they haven't been harmed, no apology is required.  If they have, ask Bradford and Guts for an apology.

Keep trying, Sal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salvador wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I could just ask you, one by one, but perhaps you&#039;ll spare the innocent bystanders the trouble. You owe them an apology&#034;¦.</p></blockquote>
<p>If they haven&#039;t been harmed, no apology is required.  If they have, ask Bradford and Guts for an apology.</p>
<p>Keep trying, Sal.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195836</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bradford wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Salvador, you're not Attila the Hun and I've witnessed much, much worse on the web and in person during my life.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wow.

That's a back-handed compliment if I ever saw one.

Salvador, are you swelling with pride?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradford wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Salvador, you&#039;re not Attila the Hun and I&#039;ve witnessed much, much worse on the web and in person during my life.</p></blockquote>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>That&#039;s a back-handed compliment if I ever saw one.</p>
<p>Salvador, are you swelling with pride?</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195835</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bradford wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;She's not a little kid is she? She's old enough to express her own views right? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Of course.  What does that have to do with anything?  Your not making Mike's error, are you?

Mike keeps mentioning over and over that Sal has never harmed me, as if that made it illegitimate for me to disapprove of his behavior.  I responded:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Am I entitled to disapprove of someone's behavior only if I am personally harmed by it? I would say that it was wrong for Salvador to slander Skatje Myers, even though his attack was not directed at me.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This really should be obvious.  It is legitimate for me to say that the Darfur genocide is wrong?  Apparently not, according to Mike, because I haven't been harmed by the killers.

I hope you see the problem with this reasoning, even if Mike can't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bradford wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>She&#039;s not a little kid is she? She&#039;s old enough to express her own views right? </p></blockquote>
<p>Of course.  What does that have to do with anything?  Your not making Mike&#039;s error, are you?</p>
<p>Mike keeps mentioning over and over that Sal has never harmed me, as if that made it illegitimate for me to disapprove of his behavior.  I responded:</p>
<blockquote><p>Am I entitled to disapprove of someone&#039;s behavior only if I am personally harmed by it? I would say that it was wrong for Salvador to slander Skatje Myers, even though his attack was not directed at me.
</p></blockquote>
<p>This really should be obvious.  It is legitimate for me to say that the Darfur genocide is wrong?  Apparently not, according to Mike, because I haven&#039;t been harmed by the killers.</p>
<p>I hope you see the problem with this reasoning, even if Mike can&#039;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195834</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta admit,
Skatje Myers views are pretty nasty.  
I wasn't too informed on the whole situation.  Finally decided to read one of robin's links (from Janiebelle's blog???  wow.... from the guy who said ERV can be over the top).
It doesn't take too much twisting robin, what Skatje said would typically lead to mocking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta admit,<br />
Skatje Myers views are pretty nasty.<br />
I wasn&#039;t too informed on the whole situation.  Finally decided to read one of robin&#039;s links (from Janiebelle&#039;s blog???  wow&#8230;. from the guy who said ERV can be over the top).<br />
It doesn&#039;t take too much twisting robin, what Skatje said would typically lead to mocking.</p>
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		<title>By: Salvador T. Cordova</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195833</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvador T. Cordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robin, are you a repeat offender?  Can you list all the aliases you posted under?

I could just ask you, one by one, but perhaps you'll spare the innocent bystanders the trouble.  You owe them an apology....

I think you should fess up to the readers the names of all the aliases you posted under here.  Tell them you're sorry for misleading them.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin, are you a repeat offender?  Can you list all the aliases you posted under?</p>
<p>I could just ask you, one by one, but perhaps you&#039;ll spare the innocent bystanders the trouble.  You owe them an apology&#8230;.</p>
<p>I think you should fess up to the readers the names of all the aliases you posted under here.  Tell them you&#039;re sorry for misleading them&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Bradford</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/speak-your-mind-2/#comment-195832</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 03:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What do you think about the fact that only one person, out of the entire membership at TT "” a pro-ID blog "” was willing even to partially defend your tactics?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Salvador, you're not Attila the Hun and I've witnessed much, much worse on the web and in person during my life.  The one who needs to exercise some introspection about his life is keiths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What do you think about the fact that only one person, out of the entire membership at TT &#034;” a pro-ID blog &#034;” was willing even to partially defend your tactics?</p></blockquote>
<p>Salvador, you&#039;re not Attila the Hun and I&#039;ve witnessed much, much worse on the web and in person during my life.  The one who needs to exercise some introspection about his life is keiths.</p>
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