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		<title>By: Rock</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-c-word-again/#comment-99514</link>
		<dc:creator>Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 18:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Benn doing some computer "housecleaning" lately--for days now and I come across all sorts of interesting (to me) stuff.

I found Patrick Forbes PH.D. thesis "The Traces of Change"¦" (which I've scanned through but not read thoroughly), that appears to be relevant to the subjects of "confirmation bias" and "framing." (Notice who his thesis advisor is and whom he acknowledges as a principal influence.)

http://pforber.squarespace.com/online-papers/

Might not be that topical but I thought that someone might also be interested. 

Over the years I've cited innumerable publications (in this context, the whole "debate" thing) and noticed that few people could be bothered to read. Many people who involve themselves in the "debate" seem to have formed their opinions on the basis of little (and often inaccurate) information and evince little desire to learn more and little inclination to change their opinions. Which is manifestly a form of "confirmation bias" and "framing." 

A decided and persistent form of ignorance that is immune to challenge.

(Which I usually refer to, in my own "politically incorrect way) as "stupidity.")</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Benn doing some computer &#034;housecleaning&#034; lately&#8211;for days now and I come across all sorts of interesting (to me) stuff.</p>
<p>I found Patrick Forbes PH.D. thesis &#034;The Traces of Change&#034;¦&#034; (which I&#039;ve scanned through but not read thoroughly), that appears to be relevant to the subjects of &#034;confirmation bias&#034; and &#034;framing.&#034; (Notice who his thesis advisor is and whom he acknowledges as a principal influence.)</p>
<p><a href="http://pforber.squarespace.com/online-papers/" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://pforber.squarespace.com/online-papers/'>http://pforber.squarespace.com...</a></p>
<p>Might not be that topical but I thought that someone might also be interested. </p>
<p>Over the years I&#039;ve cited innumerable publications (in this context, the whole &#034;debate&#034; thing) and noticed that few people could be bothered to read. Many people who involve themselves in the &#034;debate&#034; seem to have formed their opinions on the basis of little (and often inaccurate) information and evince little desire to learn more and little inclination to change their opinions. Which is manifestly a form of &#034;confirmation bias&#034; and &#034;framing.&#034; </p>
<p>A decided and persistent form of ignorance that is immune to challenge.</p>
<p>(Which I usually refer to, in my own &#034;politically incorrect way) as &#034;stupidity.&#034;)</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-c-word-again/#comment-99476</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Mooney noticed Macht's post.  In the comments section of his demand for an apology, he writes:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Mooney: PS--
Note how much the intelligent design people are enjoying this infighting on the pro-evolution side:&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yet note how clueless he is.  The critics have been infighting ever since Myers and Dawkins declared jihad on the appeasers.  There is nothing new there.  What we "enjoy" is the demonstration that the C-word is intended as an &lt;em&gt;ad hominem&lt;/em&gt;.  Mooney explains his reaction to being tarred with the C-word:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I want to thank Larry Moran and PZ in particular for their comments here. They've been critical of the framing science thesis but of course they know that Matt and I aren't creationists. The truth is that I got into the whole science writing thing because of the evolution issue and because of my deep desire to combat creationists, so you can understand how this got me pretty hot around the collar.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can almost hear him pounding the table, "I'm NOT a creationist!"  

Thus, the fundamentalist atheists show us the real reason for the use of the C-word and Mooney's reaction confirms it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Mooney noticed Macht&#039;s post.  In the comments section of his demand for an apology, he writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>Mooney: PS&#8211;<br />
Note how much the intelligent design people are enjoying this infighting on the pro-evolution side:</p></blockquote>
<p>Yet note how clueless he is.  The critics have been infighting ever since Myers and Dawkins declared jihad on the appeasers.  There is nothing new there.  What we &#034;enjoy&#034; is the demonstration that the C-word is intended as an <em>ad hominem</em>.  Mooney explains his reaction to being tarred with the C-word:</p>
<blockquote><p>I want to thank Larry Moran and PZ in particular for their comments here. They&#039;ve been critical of the framing science thesis but of course they know that Matt and I aren&#039;t creationists. The truth is that I got into the whole science writing thing because of the evolution issue and because of my deep desire to combat creationists, so you can understand how this got me pretty hot around the collar.</p></blockquote>
<p>You can almost hear him pounding the table, &#034;I&#039;m NOT a creationist!&#034;  </p>
<p>Thus, the fundamentalist atheists show us the real reason for the use of the C-word and Mooney&#039;s reaction confirms it.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-c-word-again/#comment-99052</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 00:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.brandens.net/files/Sounds/FX/Animals/CRICKET4.WAV" rel="nofollow"&gt;Hmmmm&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.brandens.net/files/Sounds/FX/Animals/CRICKET4.WAV" rel="nofollow">Hmmmm</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-c-word-again/#comment-98588</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Apr 2007 02:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  I was going to post something, but I'd rather let this sit at the top some more.  Krauze is right - note that Mooney draws the line when it comes to the c-word.  Dem's fightin' words!  Like I have been saying, when it comes to the c-word, critics are just painting targets around arrows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  I was going to post something, but I&#039;d rather let this sit at the top some more.  Krauze is right - note that Mooney draws the line when it comes to the c-word.  Dem&#039;s fightin&#039; words!  Like I have been saying, when it comes to the c-word, critics are just painting targets around arrows.</p>
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		<title>By: Joy</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-c-word-again/#comment-98522</link>
		<dc:creator>Joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!!! Talk about a raving paranoiac! check this out from the linked Laden 'camping' blog...

&lt;blockquote&gt;Standing case law in the united states obviates government (including school related) funding for activation of Camp 3 programs, including framing. So don't expect to get funded to do this unless it is from the private sector. And then, you will be competing for some of the same funding sources that fund the Discovery Institute. And that could get you dumped under a bridge in Passaic New Jersey.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Holy Marlon Brando, Batman! Is Laden expecting a severed horse's head in his bed any time soon? Does he expect Dembski to do the deed, or Mooney? Maybe Mooney's handy henchman Nisbet? Hahahahaha!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!!! Talk about a raving paranoiac! check this out from the linked Laden &#039;camping&#039; blog&#8230;</p>
<blockquote><p>Standing case law in the united states obviates government (including school related) funding for activation of Camp 3 programs, including framing. So don&#039;t expect to get funded to do this unless it is from the private sector. And then, you will be competing for some of the same funding sources that fund the Discovery Institute. And that could get you dumped under a bridge in Passaic New Jersey.</p></blockquote>
<p>Holy Marlon Brando, Batman! Is Laden expecting a severed horse&#039;s head in his bed any time soon? Does he expect Dembski to do the deed, or Mooney? Maybe Mooney&#039;s handy henchman Nisbet? Hahahahaha!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-c-word-again/#comment-98516</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Apr 2007 21:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow. Try reading Mooney's demand for a retraction. He clearly understands how damaging the "creationist!"-label is to one's reputation and career. Remember this the next time you see an ID critic playing fast-and-loose with the definition of that c-word in order to apply it to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. Try reading Mooney&#039;s demand for a retraction. He clearly understands how damaging the &#034;creationist!&#034;-label is to one&#039;s reputation and career. Remember this the next time you see an ID critic playing fast-and-loose with the definition of that c-word in order to apply it to you.</p>
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