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		<title>By: Douglas</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-10018</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Mar 2006 14:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't it amazing how far someone with hillbilly roots, and a domineering grandmother, can come in a few years, with only a graduate degree, and a flair for Internet debate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#039;t it amazing how far someone with hillbilly roots, and a domineering grandmother, can come in a few years, with only a graduate degree, and a flair for Internet debate?</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9330</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Mar 2006 17:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice story, Mike.  Too bad it's all made up.  When will you admit that you are either a Rostafarian (as Matty suspected) or a Druid (as I suspect)?  

It's good to see Ken Beacon is still alive.  

I don't know the whole DNAunion story.  Has he changed his mind about ID or about his religious beliefs, or both?

I have a thread at ISCID on the arbitrariness of the genetic code, just in case you want to throw in your 2 cents worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice story, Mike.  Too bad it&#039;s all made up.  When will you admit that you are either a Rostafarian (as Matty suspected) or a Druid (as I suspect)?  </p>
<p>It&#039;s good to see Ken Beacon is still alive.  </p>
<p>I don&#039;t know the whole DNAunion story.  Has he changed his mind about ID or about his religious beliefs, or both?</p>
<p>I have a thread at ISCID on the arbitrariness of the genetic code, just in case you want to throw in your 2 cents worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Fer</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9271</link>
		<dc:creator>Fer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 04:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mike,

Interesting to learn your story. Not so long ago I received the next message:

"Hey Fernando,

I really enjoy the research you do and have found it quite informative. Have you considered documenting your findings in a book? (Perhaps collaborating with Mike Gene on "ID Theory in Practice", combining work on ID-based prediction and use of the metatheory.) Just a suggestion. Keep up the good work!

Atom"

http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000553-p-3.html

So, I just wanted to ask you if in private can you tell me what kind of research are you currently doing (I guess that it is in the Molecular Realm). My email is in the PDF at the beginning of the same thread.

Fer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mike,</p>
<p>Interesting to learn your story. Not so long ago I received the next message:</p>
<p>&#034;Hey Fernando,</p>
<p>I really enjoy the research you do and have found it quite informative. Have you considered documenting your findings in a book? (Perhaps collaborating with Mike Gene on &#034;ID Theory in Practice&#034;, combining work on ID-based prediction and use of the metatheory.) Just a suggestion. Keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Atom&#034;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000553-p-3.html" rel="nofollow"></a><a href='http://www.iscid.org/boards/ubb-get_topic-f-6-t-000553-p-3.html'>http://www.iscid.org/boards/ub...</a></p>
<p>So, I just wanted to ask you if in private can you tell me what kind of research are you currently doing (I guess that it is in the Molecular Realm). My email is in the PDF at the beginning of the same thread.</p>
<p>Fer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Beacon</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9260</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Mike.  I am pleased you remembered me.  I wasn't at ARN very long. lol Yes, that's a shameless plug!  I wondered if you were going to mention your website.

After I posted here I went over to the ol' idthink and read most of it.  Good stuff!  I had already been to designinference.com.  Great stuff over there.

I am here because one of Eugenie's crew (member of NCSE) started writing letters to the editor and eventually I had to speak up.  A editorial battle ensued.  Since I am inactive politically right now I wanted to find a way to contribute to the theory of ID in whatever way I can.

Krauze: Thank you too for those suggestions.  I'll be sure to put them on my list.

Thanks to both of you for your thoughtful suggestions!

I'll be sure to stick around and read up on all I've missed.

Thanks again Mike for your thoughtful contributions to ID theory!

All the best,
Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mike.  I am pleased you remembered me.  I wasn&#039;t at ARN very long. lol Yes, that&#039;s a shameless plug!  I wondered if you were going to mention your website.</p>
<p>After I posted here I went over to the ol&#039; idthink and read most of it.  Good stuff!  I had already been to designinference.com.  Great stuff over there.</p>
<p>I am here because one of Eugenie&#039;s crew (member of NCSE) started writing letters to the editor and eventually I had to speak up.  A editorial battle ensued.  Since I am inactive politically right now I wanted to find a way to contribute to the theory of ID in whatever way I can.</p>
<p>Krauze: Thank you too for those suggestions.  I&#039;ll be sure to put them on my list.</p>
<p>Thanks to both of you for your thoughtful suggestions!</p>
<p>I&#039;ll be sure to stick around and read up on all I&#039;ve missed.</p>
<p>Thanks again Mike for your thoughtful contributions to ID theory!</p>
<p>All the best,<br />
Ken</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9193</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 09:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ken,

On the right side of this page, we feature a number of books. For a beginner, I suggest Paul Davies' &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=telicthoughts-20&#38;creative=9325&#38;camp=1789&#38;link_code=as2&#38;path=ASIN/068486309X" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Fifth Miracle&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; and Simon Conway Morris' &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=telicthoughts-20&#38;creative=9325&#38;camp=1789&#38;link_code=as2&#38;path=ASIN/0521827043" rel="nofollow"&gt;Life's Solution&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;. They don't advocate intelligent design, but they deal with some of the same issues that Mike and the rest of us here at TT write about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ken,</p>
<p>On the right side of this page, we feature a number of books. For a beginner, I suggest Paul Davies&#039; <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=telicthoughts-20&amp;creative=9325&amp;camp=1789&amp;link_code=as2&amp;path=ASIN/068486309X" rel="nofollow">The Fifth Miracle</a></em> and Simon Conway Morris&#039; <em><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=telicthoughts-20&amp;creative=9325&amp;camp=1789&amp;link_code=as2&amp;path=ASIN/0521827043" rel="nofollow">Life&#039;s Solution</a></em>. They don&#039;t advocate intelligent design, but they deal with some of the same issues that Mike and the rest of us here at TT write about.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9186</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Salvador,
We share the same most memorable moment.  After all, it inspired the ARN Show.  Unfortunately, with ARN's "upgrade," the show has been gutted.

I hope you check in on us on a semi-regular basis.  If not, you should e-mail me so I can get your e-mail address.

Hi Ken,

Yes, I remember you!  It's great to hear from you.  Those were the really early ARN days "“ you, Duane, DNAUnion, and Bertvan.  I've sometimes wondered whatever happened to you.  

As for book suggestions, my story pretty much captures my exposure to the ID literature.  It really pretty much is a "Behe's book, followed by internet arguments" thing.  So I would definitely suggest &lt;a href="http://telicthoughts.com/?p=575" rel="nofollow"&gt;Behe's book &lt;/a&gt;and then shamelessly plug &lt;a href="http://www.idthink.net/ " rel="nofollow"&gt;my web page&lt;/a&gt; (check out ID101) and our blog.  &lt;a href="http://www.designinference.com/ " rel="nofollow"&gt;Dembski's page &lt;/a&gt;also has plenty of material to read through.  Maybe someone else here can weigh in and offer suggestions.  

As for suggestions about involving yourself in the movement, I'm not really part of any movement, so, sorry, I can't help you there.  

Thanks for getting in contact again.  And hang around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Salvador,<br />
We share the same most memorable moment.  After all, it inspired the ARN Show.  Unfortunately, with ARN&#039;s &#034;upgrade,&#034; the show has been gutted.</p>
<p>I hope you check in on us on a semi-regular basis.  If not, you should e-mail me so I can get your e-mail address.</p>
<p>Hi Ken,</p>
<p>Yes, I remember you!  It&#039;s great to hear from you.  Those were the really early ARN days &#034;“ you, Duane, DNAUnion, and Bertvan.  I&#039;ve sometimes wondered whatever happened to you.  </p>
<p>As for book suggestions, my story pretty much captures my exposure to the ID literature.  It really pretty much is a &#034;Behe&#039;s book, followed by internet arguments&#034; thing.  So I would definitely suggest <a href="http://telicthoughts.com/?p=575" rel="nofollow">Behe&#039;s book </a>and then shamelessly plug <a href="http://www.idthink.net/ " rel="nofollow">my web page</a> (check out ID101) and our blog.  <a href="http://www.designinference.com/ " rel="nofollow">Dembski&#039;s page </a>also has plenty of material to read through.  Maybe someone else here can weigh in and offer suggestions.  </p>
<p>As for suggestions about involving yourself in the movement, I&#039;m not really part of any movement, so, sorry, I can&#039;t help you there.  </p>
<p>Thanks for getting in contact again.  And hang around.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Beacon</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9180</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Beacon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mike,

Well, here we are a long long way from ARN.  I hope you remember me.  I stopped posting after it became too much heat and not enough light.  I was Duane Salmon's friend.  He brought me to ARN.

I am glad you finally got around to telling your story.  Truthfully, I suspected you were Mike Behe. lol Glad to know you're not.

So, here are my questions:

Do you remember me?  I helped you with IDTHINK in the beginning.

What would be a short list of books or articles to help a beginner in ID?

What materials should an intermediate look at?

Where are the advanced materials on ID and what are they?

Most importantly for me, in what ways can a student of ID help in the movement?

I was very pleased you were mentioned by Dembski in his Rebuttal to Reports by Opposing Expert Witnesses.

Great to know you are still around!

Yours,
Ken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mike,</p>
<p>Well, here we are a long long way from ARN.  I hope you remember me.  I stopped posting after it became too much heat and not enough light.  I was Duane Salmon&#039;s friend.  He brought me to ARN.</p>
<p>I am glad you finally got around to telling your story.  Truthfully, I suspected you were Mike Behe. lol Glad to know you&#039;re not.</p>
<p>So, here are my questions:</p>
<p>Do you remember me?  I helped you with IDTHINK in the beginning.</p>
<p>What would be a short list of books or articles to help a beginner in ID?</p>
<p>What materials should an intermediate look at?</p>
<p>Where are the advanced materials on ID and what are they?</p>
<p>Most importantly for me, in what ways can a student of ID help in the movement?</p>
<p>I was very pleased you were mentioned by Dembski in his Rebuttal to Reports by Opposing Expert Witnesses.</p>
<p>Great to know you are still around!</p>
<p>Yours,<br />
Ken</p>
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		<title>By: willo</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9159</link>
		<dc:creator>willo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheers Mike look forward to it. 

thegiffman:

'have you ever read Silmarillion?'

No thegiffman can't say I have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheers Mike look forward to it. </p>
<p>thegiffman:</p>
<p>&#039;have you ever read Silmarillion?&#039;</p>
<p>No thegiffman can&#039;t say I have.</p>
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		<title>By: Salvador T. Cordova</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9158</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvador T. Cordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 20:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,

Thank you for telling us your story.  Hardly a weekday goes by on the net when I don't look for your postings!

There have been other things demanding my time of late, especially on the weekends, and I will very much miss having a chance to frequently participate on the net with you as I once did.  

It really was a lot of fun when ARN was swarming with critics.  I like target rich environments, but well, I have to move on to more practical thing in life rather than partaking in the joy of internet combat.  

Anyway, the critics mostly retreated to PT and I'm ready to move on to more fun things than beating up ARN sock puppets.  I will say, it's nice to see our old foe PvM find a home for himself at PT. :-)  He was the most talented internet warrior I ever saw, a real army of one.  

As far as my most memorable moment in the Mike Gene story?  I will forever remember your exchange with RgD and Alix Neuphar.  Something about Futayama and carpaces.  I still break out a chuckle when I think of that. :-)

Hey, best wishes to you, Mike.  I hope to hear from you from time to time.  Take care,

Salvador</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Thank you for telling us your story.  Hardly a weekday goes by on the net when I don&#039;t look for your postings!</p>
<p>There have been other things demanding my time of late, especially on the weekends, and I will very much miss having a chance to frequently participate on the net with you as I once did.  </p>
<p>It really was a lot of fun when ARN was swarming with critics.  I like target rich environments, but well, I have to move on to more practical thing in life rather than partaking in the joy of internet combat.  </p>
<p>Anyway, the critics mostly retreated to PT and I&#039;m ready to move on to more fun things than beating up ARN sock puppets.  I will say, it&#039;s nice to see our old foe PvM find a home for himself at PT. <img src='http://telicthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  He was the most talented internet warrior I ever saw, a real army of one.  </p>
<p>As far as my most memorable moment in the Mike Gene story?  I will forever remember your exchange with RgD and Alix Neuphar.  Something about Futayama and carpaces.  I still break out a chuckle when I think of that. <img src='http://telicthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hey, best wishes to you, Mike.  I hope to hear from you from time to time.  Take care,</p>
<p>Salvador</p>
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		<title>By: Dane Parker</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/the-mikegene-story/#comment-9147</link>
		<dc:creator>Dane Parker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah I enjoyed that read Mike! Did Benjii get to you? ;) j/k</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah I enjoyed that read Mike! Did Benjii get to you? <img src='http://telicthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> j/k</p>
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