"While denying that ID is religiously motivated, ID proponents often portray evolution as its own kind of religion, one that is atheistic and materialistic, whose converts no longer cast their eyes towards heaven but who rather seek to build heaven here on Earth using their scientific knowledge."

Where could the religious crowd have gotten this impression? From the back of Creationism's Trojan Horse, of which Barbara Forrest is a co-author:

"This is the definitive work on modern creationism, an exhaustively detailed and compelling exposure of the attempt - by the well-known process in nature called by biologists 'agressive mimicry' - to corrupt science in the service of sectarian religion. In the process, the book explores the larger and seemingly endless struggle between religion-based tribal values and science-based universal values."

- Edward O. Wilson, University Research Professor, Emeritus, Harvard University

Many people turn to religion on matters of morality (in fact, according to the principle of non-overlapping magisteria, this is the very turf reserved for religion). Yet here we have a well-renowned scientist tell us that there exists science-based values (which, in virtue of being "objective", are presumably better than those "tribal values" of religion).

Looks like an interesting pattern is emerging: A prominent scientist tries to use science as a subsitute for religion, and members of the press and the scientific community are quiet as mice. Some members of the religious community reacts to the statement, and are suddenly accused of misrepresenting or misunderstanding science.

Actually a Dutch traffic planner proposes removing all the traffic signs and marks on the roads in particularly congested places"”drivers are more alert and the accident rate drops.

I suppose that's why all the traffic signs and marks are still there, eh? Why do I only see nonsensical arguments from you, Ed? If anything, your response indicates quite clearly you're not at all interested in Mike's point here. I'm not sure if you even understand what's being said.

See, the problem with ID is you guys don't play with real data. Sometimes, as Haldane noted, not only is God's creation queerer than you imagine, it's queerer than you can imagine.

I'm sure God laughs a lot.