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		<title>By: russ</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-115230</link>
		<dc:creator>russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America's Founding Fathers signed a Declaration of Independence from Britain that contained several references to their "Creator","Divine Intervention", etc.  These signers included Benjamin Franklin, who was a famous science guy.  Were the signers of the Declaration of Independence a threat to science and democracy itself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America&#039;s Founding Fathers signed a Declaration of Independence from Britain that contained several references to their &#034;Creator&#034;,&#034;Divine Intervention&#034;, etc.  These signers included Benjamin Franklin, who was a famous science guy.  Were the signers of the Declaration of Independence a threat to science and democracy itself?</p>
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		<title>By: Raevmo</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-115074</link>
		<dc:creator>Raevmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 10:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>keiths:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I don't recall seeing any posts or comments from him in the last week or so, which seems unlike him.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Could it be your arguments have convinced Mike there's nothing to ID?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>keiths:</p>
<blockquote><p>I don&#039;t recall seeing any posts or comments from him in the last week or so, which seems unlike him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Could it be your arguments have convinced Mike there&#039;s nothing to ID?</p>
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		<title>By: keiths</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-115070</link>
		<dc:creator>keiths</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 08:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off-topic:

Has anyone heard from Mike Gene lately?

I don't recall seeing any posts or comments from him in the last week or so, which seems unlike him.

I hope everything's okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off-topic:</p>
<p>Has anyone heard from Mike Gene lately?</p>
<p>I don&#039;t recall seeing any posts or comments from him in the last week or so, which seems unlike him.</p>
<p>I hope everything&#039;s okay.</p>
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		<title>By: thesciphishow</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-115050</link>
		<dc:creator>thesciphishow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Harun Yahya is a Holocaust denier. In my eyes, that makes him a nut."

Actually that pretty much just makes him a mainstream Muslim if what we see in the news and the things they say is anything to go by.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#034;Harun Yahya is a Holocaust denier. In my eyes, that makes him a nut.&#034;</p>
<p>Actually that pretty much just makes him a mainstream Muslim if what we see in the news and the things they say is anything to go by.</p>
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		<title>By: Krauze</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-115046</link>
		<dc:creator>Krauze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 04:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harun Yahya is a &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harun_Yahya#Antisemitism" rel="nofollow"&gt;Holocaust denier&lt;/a&gt;. In my eyes, that makes him a nut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harun Yahya is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harun_Yahya#Antisemitism" rel="nofollow">Holocaust denier</a>. In my eyes, that makes him a nut.</p>
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		<title>By: onething</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-114951</link>
		<dc:creator>onething</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't agree that Harun Yahya is a nut. He's a very religious muslim who does his level best to present the best face of Islam and who has put together huge websites dedicated to refuting Darwinism, such as darwinismrefuted.com.

What I see happening is that "science" is going to become the new propaganda tool of those elements within society that are essentially becoming fascistic and trying to increase control. It will include things like forced immunizations and forced taking of pharmaceuticals. Those who don't go along will be branded psychologically abnormal or malevolent, and will lose their civil rights and probably their children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#039;t agree that Harun Yahya is a nut. He&#039;s a very religious muslim who does his level best to present the best face of Islam and who has put together huge websites dedicated to refuting Darwinism, such as darwinismrefuted.com.</p>
<p>What I see happening is that &#034;science&#034; is going to become the new propaganda tool of those elements within society that are essentially becoming fascistic and trying to increase control. It will include things like forced immunizations and forced taking of pharmaceuticals. Those who don&#039;t go along will be branded psychologically abnormal or malevolent, and will lose their civil rights and probably their children.</p>
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		<title>By: angryoldfatman</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-114919</link>
		<dc:creator>angryoldfatman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me channel Galapagos Finch for a moment.

"We evolutionists have built this imposing sandcastle of Darwinism grain by grain, bucket by bucket, upon the shores of History. But now the hoodlum Creationism, with its ATV of Intelligent Design, threatens to plow down our towering edifice.

We must protect our sturdy structure by stringing up the piano wire of Political Intervention at neck-height..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me channel Galapagos Finch for a moment.</p>
<p>&#034;We evolutionists have built this imposing sandcastle of Darwinism grain by grain, bucket by bucket, upon the shores of History. But now the hoodlum Creationism, with its ATV of Intelligent Design, threatens to plow down our towering edifice.</p>
<p>We must protect our sturdy structure by stringing up the piano wire of Political Intervention at neck-height&#8230;&#034;</p>
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		<title>By: thesciphishow</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-114860</link>
		<dc:creator>thesciphishow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It must just be a coincidence Valdimir ;)

The real irony is that in practice civil rights have been strongly protected in places where this sort of "christian fundamentalism" is taken seriously and trampled where the sort of secular triumphilism holds sway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It must just be a coincidence Valdimir <img src='http://telicthoughts.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The real irony is that in practice civil rights have been strongly protected in places where this sort of &#034;christian fundamentalism&#034; is taken seriously and trampled where the sort of secular triumphilism holds sway.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir Krondan</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-114820</link>
		<dc:creator>Vladimir Krondan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Darwinian-Malthusian-Eugenists are always shreiking about looming catastrophes. 

Compare this statement:
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Creationism and other forms of "fundamentalism and extremism" lead to a "total rejection of science", which is "one of the most serious threats to human rights and civic rights." It makes "attacks of utmost virulence on human rights" and on "the very core of the knowledge that we have built up little by little". 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
To &lt;i&gt;this one&lt;/i&gt; published in Eugenics Review, 1931 attacking Pope Pius IX after he condemned eugenics... 
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""¦ the Pope delivers an uncompromising ultimatum not only to eugenists, but to all who seek to order their own affairs in the light of science and human judgement. It is a defiant return to mediaevalism"¦ at the beginning of this survey it was written advisedly that the Encyclical was a return to the Middle Ages. Its mediaevalism is carried so far as to ignore all anthropology, all history not contained in Genesis, and to attack not only the practice of eugenics, but also the underlying biological bases. Not only is current biology specifically attacked, but an onslaught is made on the whole texture of science and the liberty of thought"¦ 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Darwinian-Malthusian-Eugenists are always shreiking about looming catastrophes. </p>
<p>Compare this statement:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Creationism and other forms of &#034;fundamentalism and extremism&#034; lead to a &#034;total rejection of science&#034;, which is &#034;one of the most serious threats to human rights and civic rights.&#034; It makes &#034;attacks of utmost virulence on human rights&#034; and on &#034;the very core of the knowledge that we have built up little by little&#034;.
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<p>To <i>this one</i> published in Eugenics Review, 1931 attacking Pope Pius IX after he condemned eugenics&#8230; </p>
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&#034;&#034;¦ the Pope delivers an uncompromising ultimatum not only to eugenists, but to all who seek to order their own affairs in the light of science and human judgement. It is a defiant return to mediaevalism&#034;¦ at the beginning of this survey it was written advisedly that the Encyclical was a return to the Middle Ages. Its mediaevalism is carried so far as to ignore all anthropology, all history not contained in Genesis, and to attack not only the practice of eugenics, but also the underlying biological bases. Not only is current biology specifically attacked, but an onslaught is made on the whole texture of science and the liberty of thought&#034;¦
</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: thesciphishow</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/threatiness-and-civil-rights/#comment-114818</link>
		<dc:creator>thesciphishow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 01:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sort of shrill paranoia is pretty telling really. What are they actually afraid of ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sort of shrill paranoia is pretty telling really. What are they actually afraid of ?</p>
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