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	<title>Comments on: UK petition against religious upbringing</title>
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		<title>By: Guts</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50997</link>
		<dc:creator>Guts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 09:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Historically accurate? Not so much. Cool? Hell yes!
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Inspiring a graphic novel that is made into a major motion picture? Priceless.</description>
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Historically accurate? Not so much. Cool? Hell yes!
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<p>Inspiring a graphic novel that is made into a major motion picture? Priceless.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradford</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50986</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You could have interviews with Asian Christian parents talking about their frustrations with the atheist indoctrination their children receive at school (teachers regularly pulling out "can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it" to mock religious kids in front of their friends) while they are forced to leave their kids outside to play when they walk into church. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Dawkinites actually might find these fitting responses to the religious threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You could have interviews with Asian Christian parents talking about their frustrations with the atheist indoctrination their children receive at school (teachers regularly pulling out &#034;can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it&#034; to mock religious kids in front of their friends) while they are forced to leave their kids outside to play when they walk into church. </p></blockquote>
<p>Dawkinites actually might find these fitting responses to the religious threat.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonders For Oyarsa</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50985</link>
		<dc:creator>Wonders For Oyarsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, with a little research one could write up a pretty juicy news piece.  I can see the headline - "Richard Dawkins lobbies for Communist-style religious persecution in England."  You could have interviews with Asian Christian parents talking about their frustrations with the atheist indoctrination their children receive at school (teachers regularly pulling out "can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it" to mock religious kids in front of their friends) while they are forced to leave their kids outside to play when they walk into church.  Juxtapose this with a few pertinent Dawkins quotes.  

I suppose this sorta thing is rather low, but the guy practically begs for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, with a little research one could write up a pretty juicy news piece.  I can see the headline - &#034;Richard Dawkins lobbies for Communist-style religious persecution in England.&#034;  You could have interviews with Asian Christian parents talking about their frustrations with the atheist indoctrination their children receive at school (teachers regularly pulling out &#034;can God make a rock so big he cannot lift it&#034; to mock religious kids in front of their friends) while they are forced to leave their kids outside to play when they walk into church.  Juxtapose this with a few pertinent Dawkins quotes.  </p>
<p>I suppose this sorta thing is rather low, but the guy practically begs for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Wonders For Oyarsa</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50981</link>
		<dc:creator>Wonders For Oyarsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 06:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Historically accurate?  Not so much.  Cool?  Hell yes!

Come to think of it, arrogant presumptuous coercion has been known to have side effects on honorable people.  Like the Spartans in 480, or the Americans in 1776...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Historically accurate?  Not so much.  Cool?  Hell yes!</p>
<p>Come to think of it, arrogant presumptuous coercion has been known to have side effects on honorable people.  Like the Spartans in 480, or the Americans in 1776&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Guts</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50978</link>
		<dc:creator>Guts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh that looks really good.</description>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50977</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href="http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;movie&lt;/a&gt; comes out next year.  Check out the trailer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://300themovie.warnerbros.com/" rel="nofollow">movie</a> comes out next year.  Check out the trailer.</p>
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		<title>By: Guts</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50976</link>
		<dc:creator>Guts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool name/blog Wonders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool name/blog Wonders.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradford</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50975</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 05:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;From what I understand (though things may have changed), this is actually the policy of the Communist government in China. Children are forbidden to attend services 'til they reach a certain age.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

It should give one pause when his own ideas coincide with policies of a government known for its repression of freedom.  BTW, I liked the Thermopylae post at your blog.  It was a great historic event in many ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>From what I understand (though things may have changed), this is actually the policy of the Communist government in China. Children are forbidden to attend services &#039;til they reach a certain age.</p></blockquote>
<p>It should give one pause when his own ideas coincide with policies of a government known for its repression of freedom.  BTW, I liked the Thermopylae post at your blog.  It was a great historic event in many ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Wonders For Oyarsa</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50970</link>
		<dc:creator>Wonders For Oyarsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From what I understand (though things may have changed), this is actually the policy of the Communist government in China.  Children are forbidden to attend services 'til they reach a certain age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From what I understand (though things may have changed), this is actually the policy of the Communist government in China.  Children are forbidden to attend services &#039;til they reach a certain age.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/uk-petition-against-religious-upbringing/#comment-50966</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Dec 2006 04:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I'd toss a snarky "good luck," but it's not necessary. There's a good bit of sociopolitical groundwork skipped by this leapfrog-to-tabloid publicity stunt, and I doubt Dawkins expects anything other than publicity to come of it.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Yep.  Yet I thought he was supposed to be smart.  The publicity that he and his followers will get is this - they want to make it illegal for parents to take their children to church with them.  Did anyone in the ID movement ever want to make it illegal for parents to teach evolution or atheism to their children?

The next question is obvious.  What does Dawkins suggest we do to parents who would not obey such a law?  Does he advocate removing the children from such homes?

There is one more thing to add.  Some of us have been criticizing Dawkins for years.  Not about his views on evolution.  But about his views on religion.  Throughout this time, many ID critics have scorned, scolded, and ridiculed us.  Very few ID critics have said, "Y'know, while I disagree with you on most things, you are right about Dawkins."  


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<p>Yep.  Yet I thought he was supposed to be smart.  The publicity that he and his followers will get is this - they want to make it illegal for parents to take their children to church with them.  Did anyone in the ID movement ever want to make it illegal for parents to teach evolution or atheism to their children?</p>
<p>The next question is obvious.  What does Dawkins suggest we do to parents who would not obey such a law?  Does he advocate removing the children from such homes?</p>
<p>There is one more thing to add.  Some of us have been criticizing Dawkins for years.  Not about his views on evolution.  But about his views on religion.  Throughout this time, many ID critics have scorned, scolded, and ridiculed us.  Very few ID critics have said, &#034;Y&#039;know, while I disagree with you on most things, you are right about Dawkins.&#034;</p>
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