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    • Salvador T. Cordova wrote in The Real Issue of Behe’s Edge: Most proteins are “promiscuous&# 8221;, that is, they are capable of secondary functions, usually performed at a lower...


        • Bilbo wrote in The Real Issue of Behe’s Edge: Don: The possibility that they might have been invalidates Behe’s argument from general principles. Whether they were or weren’t...


            • angryoldfatman wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: don provan wrote: I don’t know that that would really make any difference whatsoever, especially...


                • angryoldfatman wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: olegt wrote: Me: Which set of authorities do you believe when they both claim to have science on their...


                    • Bradford wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: Olegt seems to be arguing along the lines of possibility, rather than plausability. Of course it is possible...


                        • Euphrates wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: Given that coming to terms (in a very minor sense) with my research field has taken me 8 years of full-time...


                            • olegt wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: angryoldfatman wrote: All government-funded research in its entirety available free on the Internet would be nice,...


                                • fifth monarchy man wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: Dunno where you got the idea I value science as the only way to determine truth. Science is...


                                    • Bradford wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: Daniel Smith: So what’s the attraction for the western liberal to radical Islam? I have the definitive answer Daniel. ;-) Liberals are not...


                                        • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: fifth monarchy man : Possibly it was the fact that the first critique you offered to my approach was that...


                                            • Daniel Smith wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: So what’s the attraction for the western liberal to radical Islam? Why do those who so adamantly oppose Christianity (with its...


                                                • fifth monarchy man wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: I have no idea how you got that impression. Possibly it was the fact that the first critique you...


                                                    • don provan wrote in The Real Issue of Behe’s Edge: Exactly. But if they weren’t…The possibility that they might have been invalidates Behe’s argument from general principles....


                                                        • KC wrote in The Real Issue of Behe’s Edge: Most proteins are “promiscuous&# 8221;, that is, they are capable of secondary functions, usually performed at a lower activity level, in...


                                                            • Bilbo wrote in The Real Issue of Behe’s Edge: Don: So perhaps the two proteins were busy doing something else instead of just idly waiting. Exactly. But if they weren’t…


                                                                • don provan wrote in The Real Issue of Behe’s Edge: But if two proteins had to wait around with nothing to do until the third protein evolved, it wouldn’t happen. So perhaps the two...


                                                                    • don provan wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : David S, Normally when one says “proximateR 21;, one is implying direct observation, but I don’t think that’s what you...


                                                                        • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: fifth monarchy man: The problem is you seem to think that majority rule is what allows us to check our self...


                                                                            • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: angryoldfatman: All government-funded research in its entirety available free on the Internet would be nice,...


                                                                                • olegt wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: angryoldfatman wrote: For example, let’s go back to Agent Orange. How dangerous is it, Don? One set of...


                                                                                    • David S wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : “If you look at his statements that way, do they make any more sense to you?” No, that’s just semantics. I would lobby to...


                                                                                        • angryoldfatman wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: don provan wrote: Most people can’t imagine how it could be more open. What would you suggest to...


                                                                                            • fifth monarchy man wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: What do you mean by “confirm” ;? What I thought we were talking about was something that...


                                                                                                • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: fifth monarchy man, What do you mean by “confirm” ;? What I thought we were talking about was...


                                                                                                    • fifth monarchy man wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: Do Muslims have access to them? They have access to some of them others they do not. If so, why do...


                                                                                                        • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: Bradford; Scientism is not science. Scientism seeks to extend the useful scope of science beyond boundaries...


                                                                                                            • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: fifth monarchy man: Each of these is confirmed by the others and personal experience and natural revelation...


                                                                                                                • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: angryoldfatman: If I have to go to a university library to read the results, then the results are not...


                                                                                                                    • don provan wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : David S: I would define science as the best logical and experimental effort to establish whether x causes y.The question is how one can...


                                                                                                                        • chunkdz wrote in Slick Talking Evolution: Provan: On this point, I agree with something Richard Dawkins often points out: nature made us intelligent, and being intelligent means making decisions...


                                                                                                                            • David S wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : Barr’s a nice fellow, a civilized pugilist in the battle of ideas. I salute him for engaging Behe. But, he’s not making an argument....


                                                                                                                                • David S wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : I really like Behe. He may not be exactly right, but he’s intelligent, self-effacing and humble. He is making an argument. A logical,...


                                                                                                                                    • Daniel Smith wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: On whether Obama’s a Muslim… He’s no Muslim, he’s just a liberal.


                                                                                                                                        • Daniel Smith wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: fmm, I don’t want to get into a hair-splitting match with you (and it seems that’s the way this is headed). This statement of...


                                                                                                                                            • angryoldfatman wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: olegt wrote: Science is not a closed society. We publish our results in the open. Just go to the nearest...


                                                                                                                                                • don provan wrote in Slick Talking Evolution: Dick: On naturalism the only good I should be concerned with producing is my own.There’s nothing inherent about naturalism that prohibits views...


                                                                                                                                                    • Bradford wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : Bilbo: If our universe had a beginning, then ID couldn’t have an infinite regress. So if a natural designer implies an infinite regress,...


                                                                                                                                                        • Bradford wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: dp: At every turn, we find that other approaches have very similar problems to what is objected to about...


                                                                                                                                                            • Bilbo wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : If our universe had a beginning, then ID couldn’t have an infinite regress. So if a natural designer implies an infinite regress, and our...


                                                                                                                                                                • fifth monarchy man wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: We can stick with discussing Catholics specifically if it helps you not be defensive. I think...


                                                                                                                                                                    • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: Bradford: Observe dp’s repeated linkages to religion (Christianity) when making points about...


                                                                                                                                                                        • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: b>Bradford: Which does nothing to validate scientism.It wasn’t intended to validate scientism,...


                                                                                                                                                                            • don provan wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: fifth monarchy man: You do realize that not all Christians are Catholic?We can stick with discussing...


                                                                                                                                                                                • Bradford wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: It seems (to me at least) that scientism relies either on a hard or soft version of Scientific Positivism; a...


                                                                                                                                                                                    • Bradford wrote in Slick Talking Evolution: Dick: On naturalism the only good I should be concerned with producing is my own. This leads to egoism and egoism leads inevitably to a might-makes-...


                                                                                                                                                                                        • Bradford wrote in Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate : How is an infinite regress point problematic for ID and not for cosmology or is it viewed as not problematic for either?


                                                                                                                                                                                            • Bradford wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: This thread and the one following it show that while scientific data is metaphysically neutral, those who...


                                                                                                                                                                                                • fifth monarchy man wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: Are not motion and contingency things that have been made? No they are not, contingent and motion are a adjective and a verb they are...


                                                                                                                                                                                                    • olegt wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: angryoldfatman wrote: Your naïve view of science is exactly what I’m trying to address. There isn’t a...


                                                                                                                                                                                                        • angryoldfatman wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: don provan wrote: As I already explained, I brought up an example, not a subject. And as I predicted,...


                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Daniel Smith wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: I challenge you to read the relevant text and tell me where you see anything about motion or contingency… For his invisible attributes,...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dick wrote in Slick Talking Evolution: The question of whether good exists, how we can recognize it, and whether we should do it is interesting but, for me at least, the more interesting question...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Euphrates wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: It seems (to me at least) that scientism relies either on a hard or soft version of Scientific Positivism; a...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • fifth monarchy man wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: Hey Daniel, This conversation seems weird I don’t want you to think I’m being difficult or that I feel the five ways are not a valuable...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • Bradford wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: dp: But, in fact, unlike priests and popes, science does provide the possibility of confirmation. Which does...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • Daniel Smith wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: A First Mover is like a favorite color we might be able to prove that everyone has one but why bother The fact that the cosmological argument...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • fifth monarchy man wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: Exactly. Again, what can that be other than God? The Hindu will say Brahma The Muslim will say Allah The Pastafarian will say the...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Daniel Smith wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: fmm: I’m not sure how you could have missed it. I did not miss that, but it’s one thing to say it, it’s another thing altogether...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • fifth monarchy man wrote in Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer: They seem to make the same rookie mistakes most atheists make when it comes to causation – treating it like it’s a series of...


                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                • fifth monarchy man wrote in The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism: Hey DP So at worst, scientism is no worse than trusting priests and popes. You do realize that not...

The Real Issue of Behe's Edge

Posted in Irreducible Complexity, The Debate on August 31st, 2010 by Bilbo

In his book, The Edge of Evolution, Michael Behe offers a couple of arguments trying to establish exactly how much neo-Darwinian evolution can accomplish. In his second argument, in chapter 7, "The Two Binding-Sites Rule", he concludes

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Stephen Barr/Michael Behe Debate

Posted in The Debate on August 29th, 2010 by Bilbo

I just finished watching the debate between physicist Stephen Barr and biochemist Michael Behe, which I thought was very good, with both of them making very good points. The one point of Barr's that I thought Behe let slip by was his argument of an infinite regress of intelligent natural designers. If it was time travellers, then it wouldn't be an infinite regress. Just a closed loop. If it was space aliens, then it is only an infinite regress if we know that the previous designer had to be irreducibly complex. How would we know that in advance? Therefore, a natural intelligent designer would be a proper "scientific" explanation, even as Barr understands it. And since the possibility of a natural designer would be allowed, how would science know ahead of time that the designer is natural and not supernatural? Without further evidence it wouldn't. But it could have good reason to believe that there was in fact a designer.

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Slick Talking Evolution

Posted in Culture Wars, Philosophy on August 27th, 2010 by Bradford

Tom Gilson wrote The Evolutionists' Otherwise Practical Promiscuity at Thinking Christian. This is better than a freshly brewed cup of morning coffee. :smile: Sex, rattlesnakes and Nick Matzke (comment section) all in one post. Tom begins:

Evolution—the naturalistic kind—is dangerous. I’ve never seen that danger exposed so clearly as in Jesse Bering’s article today at Scientific American’s website, Polyamory chic, gay jealousy, and the evolution of a broken heart [caution: crude language]. He writes,

HT: Clare
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The Evolution of Naturalism and Scientism Toward Authoritarianism

Posted in Nature of Science, Philosophy on August 24th, 2010 by Bradford

Philip Pettit, Richard Sylvan, and Jean Norman on Naturalism appears at the Keith Burgess-Jackson blog. The author notes that naturalism "is a philosophical doctrine about science." He also observes scientific limits with respect to empirical inferences about broader philosophical and religious issues. While believers in naturalism will acknowledge the distinction between it and science, the distinction is blurred when cultural issues are the focus and an attachment to naturalism becomes a potent influence on non-scientific matters.

Scientism is the ugly step-child of naturalism. Acceptance of scientism brings one a step closer to building a philosophical foundation needed for authoritarianism. The building process is fraught with logical slights of hand, subtle insertions of straw men and intellectual arrogance; all tools in the process of shaping young minds and a broader societal agenda.

HT: Clare, Paul and Joseph
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Testing the Devolvability of the Flagellum

Posted in Evidence, Science on August 21st, 2010 by Bilbo

It is been observed that there is significant homology between bacterial flagella and T3SSs. Pallen and Matzke have proposed that both evolved from "a common, but simpler, ancestral secretion system." While others have argued that the T3SS developed from the bacterial flagellum.
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The Origin and Diversification of Proteins

Posted in Proteins on August 20th, 2010 by Bradford

An ongoing exchange involving Matt, John, Eric and Olegt led me to post this:

Stylus: A System for Evolutionary Experimentation Based on a Protein/Proteome Model with Non-Arbitrary Functional Constraints

The authors are Douglas D. Axe, Brendan W. Dixon and Philip Lu. It is published in PLoS ONE. The abstract:
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Open Thread: Dog Days of Summer

Posted in Random Stuff on August 19th, 2010 by Bradford

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Rational inferences from unreasonable success

Posted in Intelligent Design on August 19th, 2010 by Bradford

David Heddle wrote The Unreasonable Success of Physics at his site He Lives. From the entry:

If you consider all the talking points in ID–irreducible complexity, privileged planet, cosmological fine-tuning–some of which I find useless (irreducible complexity) and some of which I find interesting (the apparent sensitivity of life to the values of constants) no one observation from the world of science or mathematics has ever struck me as a more powerful apologetic than Feynman's and Wigner's point.

The world is not only governed by orderly laws, but those laws are expressible in simple enough terms that we can make sense out of them and use them to make astonishingly accurate predictions. As Feynman suggested, if I read him correctly, science can never explain why this is so. It is, in fact, unreasonable that this happens.

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The still settling issue

Posted in Random Stuff on August 19th, 2010 by Bradford

Climate alarmists on the run appeared as an editorial in The Washington Times. The following remarks caught my interest:

Faith in man-made global warming had never been more widespread, with liberal academics and media subjecting to ridicule any who dared question the "settled science."

Ridicule. That's a favored tool. Practically speaking how is it working out? We'll find out in November.
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Who Got Banned and Why?

Posted in Random Stuff on August 16th, 2010 by Bilbo

There is no legitimate reason to keep it a secret. It would also be nice to know who did the banning.

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Legality

Posted in Law, The Critics on August 14th, 2010 by Bradford

Casey Luskin authored Is It Legally Consistent for Darwin Lobbyists to Oppose Advocating, But Advocate Opposing, Intelligent Design in Public Schools?
Quoting Luskin:

As noted in Part II.H, courts have consistently held that advocating creationism in public schools is unconstitutional. In this regard, this present author agrees with courts that there are certain core tenets of creationism– namely its adherence to supernatural or divine forces–which make it an unscientific and untestable religious viewpoint that cannot be constitutionally advocated in public schools.

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Inalienable Rights?

Posted in Animal Rights Extremism on August 14th, 2010 by Bradford

Is human dignity and uniqueness an outmoded conceptual relic? Do humans have a claim to inalienable rights not enjoyed by the great apes? Princeton University Bioethics Professor Peter Singer does not appear to think so. Nor does the nation of Spain. Is this just another social movement waiting to happen? Waiting for the right alignment of political power and judicial precedents?

Theron Bowers alludes to these issues and more in his article THE WORLD'S MOST DANGEROUS IDEA Being human is no big deal. Perhaps the concerns mentioned are a bit far fetched. They are clearly at variance with biblical ideas which have framed basic values of western civilization. But do those hostile to such values have any grounds for rebuking Singer? Spain?

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Multiverses

Posted in Philosophy, Science, Scientific Boundaries on August 14th, 2010 by Bradford

The Multiverse and the Resurrection of Christ appears at First Things. The comment section seems more interesting than the OP. Stephen Barr, Barry Arrington of UD and Joe Carter and others exchange views in the comment section.

The increased interest in the idea of the multiverse—the theory that a vast number of universes lie beyond the limits of what we can observe—has led Christians to develop differing opinions about its plausibility. Some argue the scientific merits of the theory. As physicist, and First Things board member, Stephen Barr, has said, “There are physics reasons why the multiverse has to be taken seriously as an idea. It absolutely is not kooky.” Others believe it is posited primarily to circumvent the evidence for fine-tuning of our cosmos.

HT: Clare

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Conformity

Posted in The Duck, The Rabbit on August 9th, 2010 by Guts

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Testing the Evolvability of the Flagellum

Posted in Evidence, Science on August 9th, 2010 by Bilbo

It's occurred to me that there should be some fairly simple ways to test the evolvability of the bacterial flagellum. Instead of knocking out all the flagellar genes (as Behe suggested a long time ago), and seeing if bacteria can evolve a flagellum, why not begin by knocking out just one gene and seeing if bacteria can evolve a replacement gene?

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