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		<title>By: 2ndclass</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137743</link>
		<dc:creator>2ndclass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 22:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>leo_s:&lt;blockquote&gt;Look at it this way, now Marks can continue his work unencumbered by institutional suppression. We should check  Evolutionary Informatics frequently to see how it is progressing without Baylor dragging him down.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It's &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionaryinformatics.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;back up&lt;/a&gt; now.  BTW, haven't Marks and Dembski always had the option of working "unencumbered by institutional suppression"  Why were they so set on having Baylor host their website?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>leo_s:<br />
<blockquote>Look at it this way, now Marks can continue his work unencumbered by institutional suppression. We should check  Evolutionary Informatics frequently to see how it is progressing without Baylor dragging him down.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#039;s <a href="http://www.evolutionaryinformatics.org/" rel="nofollow">back up</a> now.  BTW, haven&#039;t Marks and Dembski always had the option of working &#034;unencumbered by institutional suppression&#034;  Why were they so set on having Baylor host their website?</p>
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		<title>By: leo_s</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137658</link>
		<dc:creator>leo_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Well, sal, I gotta say, it looks like your prediction was pretty much right about what happened there. &lt;/em&gt;

Look at it this way, now Marks can continue his work unencumbered by institutional suppression.  We should check &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionaryinformatics.org" rel="nofollow"&gt; Evolutionary Informatics&lt;/a&gt; frequently to see how it is progressing without Baylor dragging him down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Well, sal, I gotta say, it looks like your prediction was pretty much right about what happened there. </em></p>
<p>Look at it this way, now Marks can continue his work unencumbered by institutional suppression.  We should check <a href="http://www.evolutionaryinformatics.org" rel="nofollow"> Evolutionary Informatics</a> frequently to see how it is progressing without Baylor dragging him down.</p>
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		<title>By: 2ndclass</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137657</link>
		<dc:creator>2ndclass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Sep 2007 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salvador,
You're the one making grandiose endorsements of Marks' work.  I've pointed out specific problems with your claims and asked questions about them and, as usual, you come up with nothing.  You're bluffing without so much as a pair of deuces, just as you do with the rest of Dembski's work.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Read them yourself and publish your critique on the net for all to see.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I've read them, thanks.  Apparently you haven't, or if you have, you show no evidence of understanding them.  Count yourself lucky that you didn't end up joining Marks' group.

Speaking of which, congratulations on starting your MS program at JHU.  I hope everything goes well with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salvador,<br />
You&#039;re the one making grandiose endorsements of Marks&#039; work.  I&#039;ve pointed out specific problems with your claims and asked questions about them and, as usual, you come up with nothing.  You&#039;re bluffing without so much as a pair of deuces, just as you do with the rest of Dembski&#039;s work.</p>
<blockquote><p>Read them yourself and publish your critique on the net for all to see.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#039;ve read them, thanks.  Apparently you haven&#039;t, or if you have, you show no evidence of understanding them.  Count yourself lucky that you didn&#039;t end up joining Marks&#039; group.</p>
<p>Speaking of which, congratulations on starting your MS program at JHU.  I hope everything goes well with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Deuce</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137611</link>
		<dc:creator>Deuce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 14:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
salvador:
Because Baylor is being Baylor.... Need I say more? That's why I suppose that web page isn't up. 

&lt;em&gt;leo_s:
It is your contention that Baylor is not allowing him to do so, which means you believe that they have reneged on the agreement reached with Dr. Marks. &lt;/em&gt;

salvador:
Oh no, not at all, Baylor is run by honest Darwinists, they would never do anything so underhanded. Nope, not possible. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, sal, I gotta say, it looks like your prediction was pretty much right about what happened there.</description>
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salvador:<br />
Because Baylor is being Baylor&#8230;. Need I say more? That&#039;s why I suppose that web page isn&#039;t up. </p>
<p><em>leo_s:<br />
It is your contention that Baylor is not allowing him to do so, which means you believe that they have reneged on the agreement reached with Dr. Marks. </em></p>
<p>salvador:<br />
Oh no, not at all, Baylor is run by honest Darwinists, they would never do anything so underhanded. Nope, not possible. </p></blockquote>
<p>Well, sal, I gotta say, it looks like your prediction was pretty much right about what happened there.</p>
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		<title>By: leo_s</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137577</link>
		<dc:creator>leo_s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 20:54:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any word on whether Dr. Marks will continue the work on his own time?  It sure would be a shame to let Baylor win.  Success is the best revenge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any word on whether Dr. Marks will continue the work on his own time?  It sure would be a shame to let Baylor win.  Success is the best revenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Salvador T. Cordova</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137570</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvador T. Cordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 18:38:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2nd class,

Read them yourself and publish your critique on the net for all to see.

The papers will be found eventually and will be discuseed in due time.

In the mean time, you might try to persuade the information savvy amongst us that evolutionary biologists understand information dynamics. NOT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2nd class,</p>
<p>Read them yourself and publish your critique on the net for all to see.</p>
<p>The papers will be found eventually and will be discuseed in due time.</p>
<p>In the mean time, you might try to persuade the information savvy amongst us that evolutionary biologists understand information dynamics. NOT!</p>
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		<title>By: Salvador T. Cordova</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137567</link>
		<dc:creator>Salvador T. Cordova</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 17:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BREAKING NEWS:

&lt;a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/baptist-university-pulls-plug-on-evolutionary-informatics-lab-links-to-intelligent-design-fatal/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Denyse O'Leary Reports&lt;/a&gt;


I suspected something was up, and I deliberately chose not to inquire and just wait for everything to play itself out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BREAKING NEWS:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/baptist-university-pulls-plug-on-evolutionary-informatics-lab-links-to-intelligent-design-fatal/" rel="nofollow">Denyse O&#039;Leary Reports</a></p>
<p>I suspected something was up, and I deliberately chose not to inquire and just wait for everything to play itself out.</p>
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		<title>By: Rock</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137563</link>
		<dc:creator>Rock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 16:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Baylor University officials don't even know whether to spit or wind their watches! If this is how they respond to the weenie threat of the IDers, how do they respond to real threats on campus like drunken greeks, roid-raging "scholar-athletes," Ethnic Studies Departments, and sociopathic lone gunmen?

(Does the Board of Regents hold its meetings in a bomb shelter? Sounds like they live in a cave.)

These disclaimers are a patent insult to everyone to whom they are addressed! In their paternal wisdom, Baylor officials, want to protect us from ourselves. Their heart is in a good place. We need disclaimers like this like we need stickers on toasters warning against their use in the bath!
The only people who can't be insulted are those who need the disclaimer"”and are therefore too dumb to be insulted!

I don't feel insulted. LOL I'm tickled!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baylor University officials don&#039;t even know whether to spit or wind their watches! If this is how they respond to the weenie threat of the IDers, how do they respond to real threats on campus like drunken greeks, roid-raging &#034;scholar-athletes,&#034; Ethnic Studies Departments, and sociopathic lone gunmen?</p>
<p>(Does the Board of Regents hold its meetings in a bomb shelter? Sounds like they live in a cave.)</p>
<p>These disclaimers are a patent insult to everyone to whom they are addressed! In their paternal wisdom, Baylor officials, want to protect us from ourselves. Their heart is in a good place. We need disclaimers like this like we need stickers on toasters warning against their use in the bath!<br />
The only people who can&#039;t be insulted are those who need the disclaimer&#034;”and are therefore too dumb to be insulted!</p>
<p>I don&#039;t feel insulted. LOL I&#039;m tickled!</p>
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		<title>By: MikeGene</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137480</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeGene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2007 02:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi JAllen,

&lt;blockquote&gt;Asked and answered.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I suppose.  It's just odd because it has never occurred to me to take the position of any individual professor and view it as representing the entire university.  In fact, throughout all the years of watching this debate, I have never seen anyone try to make Behe's position representative of LeHigh University.  Thus, for example, when I see something like &lt;a href="http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/" rel="nofollow"&gt;this page&lt;/a&gt;, (note it has no disclaimer), I would never argue or think that the University of Minnesota supports the idea that the CIA is responsible for 911.  Would you? 

Anyway, I can understand the need for disclaimers (I've had one on my personal web page since the beginning!).  But I would think that sober people would at least be somewhat concerned about how this trend could hurt academia in long run.  If universities show a willingness to publicly distance themselves from controversial view A, they leave themselves wide open when they fail to issues such decrees or disclaimers about controversial positions B, C, and D.  If more and more universities are willing to issue decrees and disclaimers, &lt;em&gt;the lack of such decrees and disclaimers starts to become meaningful&lt;/em&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi JAllen,</p>
<blockquote><p>Asked and answered.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose.  It&#039;s just odd because it has never occurred to me to take the position of any individual professor and view it as representing the entire university.  In fact, throughout all the years of watching this debate, I have never seen anyone try to make Behe&#039;s position representative of LeHigh University.  Thus, for example, when I see something like <a href="http://www.d.umn.edu/~jfetzer/" rel="nofollow">this page</a>, (note it has no disclaimer), I would never argue or think that the University of Minnesota supports the idea that the CIA is responsible for 911.  Would you? </p>
<p>Anyway, I can understand the need for disclaimers (I&#039;ve had one on my personal web page since the beginning!).  But I would think that sober people would at least be somewhat concerned about how this trend could hurt academia in long run.  If universities show a willingness to publicly distance themselves from controversial view A, they leave themselves wide open when they fail to issues such decrees or disclaimers about controversial positions B, C, and D.  If more and more universities are willing to issue decrees and disclaimers, <em>the lack of such decrees and disclaimers starts to become meaningful</em>.</p>
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		<title>By: 2ndclass</title>
		<link>http://telicthoughts.com/do-it-on-your-own-time/#comment-137460</link>
		<dc:creator>2ndclass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 21:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Salvador:&lt;blockquote&gt; The result is too important to suppress, because industry must be as cognizant of these issues as it is of things like thermodynamics.

His work imho will affect our conceptualization of what Artificial Intelligence is. This has important implications for the future of computing and understanding its limitations.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Would you care to tell us what you're alluding to?  What result is too important to suppress?  What insights does it provide into AI and the limits of computing?  What insights does it provide into &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Salvador:<br />
<blockquote> The result is too important to suppress, because industry must be as cognizant of these issues as it is of things like thermodynamics.</p>
<p>His work imho will affect our conceptualization of what Artificial Intelligence is. This has important implications for the future of computing and understanding its limitations.</p></blockquote>
<p>Would you care to tell us what you&#039;re alluding to?  What result is too important to suppress?  What insights does it provide into AI and the limits of computing?  What insights does it provide into <i>anything</i>?</p>
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